Article 50

Discussion in 'Just Talk' started by parahandy, Aug 18, 2016.

  1. Phil the master-surfer strikes again.

    Why not put into your own words what it is you are clearly trying to imply, Phil?

    You seem to be suggesting that Britain's ills are caused by (a) excessive immigration and (b) the Labour party. Is that so?

    And Brexit is the answer?
     
  2. Tee-hee - that post has already been been shown to be as ludicrous as anything coming from JJ. And that's seriously luddie.
     
  3. Well, one of these comments is true.

    Tell me, Phil, do the vast proportion of the UK really look out on your second picture?

    No, of course not.

    And what you have tried to do there is actually worse than Farage's nasty smears.

    I don't know what you are like as a person, Phil (although certain issues on here do tend to suggest something not entirely honourable), but what you are doing there is repellent.

    Utterly foul.

    And obviously Scott 'likes' it.
     
  4. Honest answer, Longs (since you at least ask reasonable questions), is that if the EU was not what I understand & believe it to be, if they were anything other than a unifying, human-rights-based, largely-socialist body with the best interests of their populations at heart, I'd be voting 'Exit'.

    But it's a silly proposition, because each country would veto any genuinely moves against this principle.

    Third Reich just ain't going to happen, you know. Well, certainly not whilst we are unified.

    It is astonishing how a clearly bright individual like you can be so out of touch with what the EU has been, and continues to be, really about.

    You do know that the Brexit campaign was a false one, don't you? Led by the furthest right-wing and wealthiest of the establishment. The 'British Reich' if you will. Who, as always, get the misled minions to do their dirty work for them.

    History repeats itself.

    Don't kid yourself that what you heard from Farage et al is any different in principle to what happened in Germany, late '30s. A populist right-wing fascist shouting out "It's gonna be great!" to a hurting population. It is also what's happening with Trump.

    I have seen no acknowledgement of that simple truism.

    Tell me, Longs - who is still shouting "The Brexit vote was the right result for Britain!"?

    Who?
     
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  5. SWBUILDERS

    SWBUILDERS Active Member

    Does the picture of religious fanatics not repulse you then DA? Of course this protest is allowed in our democratic society but does it not show how this country is divided and failing to integrate?
     
  6. Here's my answer, Scott - yes, of course it does. Just about every aspect of all religious belief repulses me. But, yes, such blatant aggressive posturing more so.

    But, however repellent it may appear, provided a protest doesn't break any law*, why should it be banned?

    It's called freedom of speech, and perish the day that is reneged on. (Which, of course, it would be under your seemingly preferred fascist regime...:rolleyes:)

    Why are you picking on this particular protest group, anyway?

    Why not the BNP? Or the NF?

    I mean, they repulse me just as much. Do they you?

    There - I've answered you. Can you answer me as to why you pick on the Islamists?



    (* I have to say, tho', I am surprised that that march was allowed as the placards are surely inciteful and provocative? Where did this march take place?)
     
  7. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select


    That pic as far as I'm aware is Luton, which IS on my door step, it is a town where even you would feel very frightened in certain areas of the town.

    As for the BNP & NF, they are just out and out morons who have no place in the UK, this is where I feel you fail to understand the difference between out & out racists and normal disillusioned people.
     
  8. PaulBlackpool

    PaulBlackpool Screwfix Select

    I understand where you are coming from but aren't Farage and Trump just morphing into what the BNP & NF once were. I wonder how many former members of these parties are now members or a least supporters of UKIP. Farage certainly took a lot of people in with his bonhomie but he showed his true colours when he addressed that Trump rally. The extreme right will do their utmost to make their views attractive to the average voter. There is an insidious march to the Right across the West and it is not going to end well for any of us.
     
  9. There is no place in a civilised country - which is what we are - for provocative marches like that. And it does look out of order to me - placards citing 'jihad', etc.

    A couple of Qs - if this was on your doorstep, what did you do about it, if it did break the law? I suspect sod all.

    What does it do to how you think of and treat anyone who's Muslim? Pretty obviously it warps your opinion.


    Tell me again the difference between this Islamic protest and one by the BNP? They both seem to be out and out morons to me.

    There are parts of most cities where you wouldn't feel too good about walking through. I tell you what - I would feel more secure walking through a Muslim neighbourhood than one of white British gangs. And if I felt threatened in any way by either, I would bludy report it right away.

    So - again - why do you go on and on about Muslims? Are they all bad?!

    The single largest immigrant population in this country is Indian (mostly Sikh or Hindu?) I believe, followed by Poles (Catholics?).

    I lived in London for a few years, in areas where white faces were almost rare. I also taught in a school near Elephant & Castle (Geoffrey Chaucer School) where ditto. Some (a lot...) of the kids were tough going and some were great. Their colour or religion had nothing to do with it.

    Perhaps time to start considering human as individuals?
     
  10. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select


    Nope. Rose tinted glasses. It's what you see.
     
  11. longboat

    longboat Screwfix Select

    Finally home from the hospital, they kept me in for a while for observation, but, thankfully only a mild concussion and a gash to the swede, sorted with some butterfly stitches.
    Was in the shed whilst reading your post, da, 'a Brexiter who might not be a numskull', and down I went, head connected with the top of my mitre saw, I think, come round several minutes later and stumbled in the house, blood pouring down my face. Said I was, ok but the missus insisted I get it checked out.
    So, thanks, a day wasted stuck in the hospital.
    I will be ringing 'claims4you' in the morn to see if I have a case.
    :D
     
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  12. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    So tell me DA, why did the EU give Ford a nice grant/ loan to help them move production of the Transit to Turkey (from Southampton) ? Was this in the best interests of EU members? Nah couldn't have been, because Turkey isn't in the EU. That's only one example DA. I'm sure you could Google more inane examples of the EU's policy re- best interests of their populations. (but I guess ya won't be doing that ) Makes you wonder if rather hefty plain brown envelopes are being passed "under the table"
     
  13. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Quite obviously, at least 52% of the population must see this DA,,, Why else would they have voted to leave?
     
  14. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    JJ. Your not allowed to Google facts, your only allowed to quote the carp that the main stream press states, you know the doctored news that Gov wants you to know about, can't be having the plebs know the real truth about what's going on in the magnificent EU.
     
  15. longboat

    longboat Screwfix Select

    Yep, tbh, I reckon having the, UK, 'thorn' removed from Europe's side, will allow their ideals of a federal state to be a much simpler task. With us in the way keeping a check on things, as best we could (for now), it would have been a greater struggle and a longer road to the inevitable goal.
     
  16. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Too true Longs, but DA would be happy to live in a "Federal State" (or should that be a "Feral State"? The way the EU's going with immigration, I don't think it will be too many years before this happens)
     
  17. Soz, Longs. :( You alright now?

    Hey - wait a minute. I neffer said the word 'numskull'.

    Someone else made you fall...
     
  18. So tell me, JJ - why do you try posting everything you can that has no relevance whatsoever to our EU discussion and had no bearing whatsoever on the vote?

    There are plenty valid and relevant BIG issues which I am happy to discuss (and in your case demolish), so stop pretending that you are in the least bit bothered about Ford and Turkey and other issues irrelevant to this argument.

    'Cos you patently are not bovvered.

    We all know what you actually are on about.

    I haven't a clue what's apparently going on with Ford and Turkey, and to respond to your clear aggitation on this issue ( :rolleyes: ) would require me to carry out research on it. But, since it's a red herring with no relevance to the EU vote, forgive me if I can't be arrissed.

    Now, JJ, can you go back to being honest about your intentions? (And 'by going back to being honest', you'd have to go back a very looong way.)
     
  19. Yeah, I did get your funny photoshop... :rolleyes: (Actually, it was quite witty.)

    But, soz, I still you as being green. In every way.
     

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