2-way stairwell lighting.

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by Ratters75, Apr 24, 2017.

  1. Ratters75

    Ratters75 New Member

    Hi all, newbie here.

    I'd appreciate some help please, recently I've decorated my downstairs and stairwell and landing and decided to replace all the light switches, unfortunately after doing this (and not checking how it was originally wired in) I've noticed the following issue with the stairwell 2-way lighting.
    The upstairs switch has twin+e from the light, also in the box there is a 3 core+e which I know should run down to the bottom switch to enable the 2-way switching, unfortunately and completely baffling to me is that in the downstairs switch there is only a twin+e, this doesn't make any sense and for the life of me I cannot understand how it would've been possible to get the 2-way switching to work like this.
    The 3-core upstairs has your standard grey colouring insulation but the 2-core downstairs is white, they must both go off to a JB somewhere but that doesn't explain why there is still no common to join the 2 switches up.
    The 2-way switching always used to work but now I can only get the switches working 1-way.

    Help please.
     
  2. Lectrician

    Lectrician Screwfix Select

    What else is in the downstairs switch? Hallway light? A live was likely robbed from there.

    [​IMG]
     
  3. Ratters75

    Ratters75 New Member

    Just the twin+e, that's it. It's a 1 gang switch just for the landing light.
     
  4. Sparkielev

    Sparkielev Screwfix Select

    Can you post pic of both light switches
     
  5. Ratters75

    Ratters75 New Member

    I will do but it'll have to be in the morning.
     
  6. MGW

    MGW Screwfix Select

    If rewiring a switch it is common to use triple and earth so in the future two way switching can be added, one wire will normally be earthed. However in your case clearly at some point it must be jointed, most likely at the ceiling rose. Since with two way wiring one of the three wires is permanent line, it is possible to borrow that line wire off another switch, at one time this was common, but it can cause problems with loop hearing aids so is now frowned on, however there is nothing to say you shouldn't do it as long as the other switch is supplied by the same protective device, if not from same protective device it becomes a borrowed neutral which is dangerous.
     
  7. Lectrician

    Lectrician Screwfix Select

    You must be missing something then, unless some naughty person used the earth (seen it a few times). Is it a dry lining box? Could a cable have slipped out?
     
  8. Ratters75

    Ratters75 New Member

    I'll get some pics up in a mo.
     
  9. Ratters75

    Ratters75 New Member

  10. Ratters75

    Ratters75 New Member

    Pics are posted if they help.
     
  11. Ratters75

    Ratters75 New Member

    My worst fears have been realised....earth used for the common
     
  12. eric the fish

    eric the fish Member

    Blowed if I can see the earth used as a common
     
  13. Ratters75

    Ratters75 New Member

    You can't in this pic as it's wired as it should be as I assumed the earth was earth obviously, unfortunately the cowboy before me thought it a good idea to use it as the common.
     
  14. JP.

    JP. Screwfix Select

    Nor can I Eric
     
  15. Ratters75

    Ratters75 New Member

    Appreciate the reply guys, in the pic the earth is wired to the earth terminal on the box which is obviously correct, I've since come to find that the earth is actually connected to common elsewhere.
     
  16. PaulBlackpool

    PaulBlackpool Screwfix Select

    Can you turn the switch round so the terminals can be seen clearly?
    Please provide a photo of where the earth is used as a common also.
     
  17. fire

    fire Well-Known Member

    No that is a plane yellow not a yellow/green lol

    Find the other end of the plain yellow and plain blue...
     
  18. leesparkykent

    leesparkykent Well-Known Member

    Read posts 13 and 15.
     
    fire likes this.
  19. retiredsparks

    retiredsparks Super Member

    If ..that..is your worst fear....you need to get out more....lol
    RS
     

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