Attaching decking ledger board (4 x 2) to blue brick

Discussion in 'Landscaping and Outdoors' started by carled, Mar 25, 2015.

  1. carled

    carled New Member

    Hi there,

    I've had a search and can't find anything on blue bricks specifically - it may not be relevant but just wanted to check!

    The ledger board will also be supported by some posts, but I want it attached to the wall for neatness and stability too. The wall is rendered from the top of the existing blue bricks upwards and the ledger board will attach to those bricks just low enough to leave space for the decking to come up to where the render starts.

    I was looking at M10 P-type wallbolts with washer spacing at 600mm spacing (along a 3.6m board) but a friend of mine said he thought that it might be difficult to drill into the brick AND it may damage the brick using those fixings. I have a monster SDS drill that will have no problem making the holes, but does he have a point on the fixings possible damaging the blue bricks? Do I need to use another type of fixing?

    Someone suggested a sort of drilled hole/resin/threaded rod approach where the resin fixes the rod/bolt instead of using expansion. Allegedly there are some incredibly strong types of resin that do this but I know nothing about it.
     
  2. malkie129

    malkie129 Screwfix Select

    I'm sure the pros will correct me if I'm wrong, but I would have though that Thunderbolts, or Multi-monti, whatever you wish to call masonry bolts, would be ideal in this situation, as there are no expansion forces involved. I must admit that I've always found them very useful.
     
  3. carled

    carled New Member

    Interesting. Never heard of them before, but looks like I can do with a smaller hole (e.g. 8mm for a 10mm bolt) and then just screw it in without any anchors and it just bites into the brick? Sounds good to me - but I'm sure someone will be along in due course to tell me why not to do it that way!
     
  4. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    If the bricks are hollow one's you going to struggle to get any form of fixing to bite, if there are the resin option is best.
    If the bricks are solid, then Thunder Bolts are your friend.
     
  5. carled

    carled New Member

    Hmm. Is there an easy way of finding out which they are? Or do I have to do a test drilling to see if I can find a cavity?
     
  6. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    You'll have to drill a test hole I'm afraid.
     
  7. malkie129

    malkie129 Screwfix Select

    Just use small drill, 4mm dia, using a cordless or percussion (not SDS) somewhere along the line that will be covered by your board. If it suddenly goes easy then you have voids. It probably depends when the wall was built, as far as bricks are concerned, I have always understood that older bricks had "frogs" but later ones had voids to save clay, but I maybe wrong.
     
  8. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    To give you an idea where to test drill.


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  9. carled

    carled New Member

    Even if they are cavity bricks, couldn't I use the thunderbolts/multimontis close to the mortar gap, thus ensuring I'm in solid brick?
     
  10. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select


    In this type of brick, I wouldn't risk it, they are very brittle, the pressure on the brick from the fixing would all most certainty crack it.
     
  11. carled

    carled New Member

    I thought the whole point of multimontis was that they didn't expand and put pressure on the brick?
     
  12. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    They are better than an expanding fixing, but if you think about how they work, you'll see that they do excert a certain amount of pressure on the brick, this is due to cutting a thread into the brick, engineering bricks are not particularly good at taking any form of stress pressure.
     

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