Cable connector

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by Edward Hunter, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. Edward Hunter

    Edward Hunter New Member

    I have bought a 2 wire cable connector from Screwfix
    I notice that it is reversible ( when you join the two parts)
    That means the live and neutral can be reversed!!!!
    What do I do?
     
  2. JP.

    JP. Screwfix Select

    Is it this one Edward?

    http://www.screwfix.com/p/masterplug-orange-connector-2-pin/46232

    It seems that the L+N can indeed be reversed - the below is taken from the reviews of the product

    Good product
    6 Sep 2012

    " Purchased this product to renew a damaged cable without having to open up the tool and would then allow for easy future replacement of the cable.
    The product is robust and easy to wire up and fit with careful attention. To open it up you just unscrew the case screw ensuring the nut doesn't get lost and extract the screw. The unit is clearly marked for where the wires go but do ensure you note which way round you push it back into the case.
    Operation is obviously simple with just pushing it together.
    However a big WARNING is that you can push this connector together the wrong way round (as the pins and sockets are centrally located) and therefore reverse the Live and Neutral contacts so anyone using this product is strongly advised to mark one side of each connector to enable them to be connected without reversing the Live and Neutral. For this I've maked down the otherwise good features and overall rating accordingly. "
     
  3. JP.

    JP. Screwfix Select

    ''What do you do''? - dunno myself as all my connectors cannot reverse L + N when pushed home. The electrical technicians on the forum will elucidate further on the matter Edward..have a good day m8.
     
  4. WillyEckerslike

    WillyEckerslike Screwfix Select

    Doors it matter if they can be reversed?
    One assumes that it's for double insulated equipment (as there's no earth) and it's AC. Lots of things have purely arbitrary connections - pendant lights, electric shavers for example and they are unaffected. I don't know obviously, which is why I'm asking.
     
  5. PaulBlackpool

    PaulBlackpool Screwfix Select

    The two halves of the plug and socket are fastened together with nuts and bolts. The nut part usually has a hexagonal indentation. So if you wire them the same way round and plug them together with the bolt heads uppermost then polarity will be maintained. As said above it usually does not matter. The main thing obviously is that the socket is fitted to the mains side and that the plug is fitted to the appliance side.
     
  6. Bob Rathbone

    Bob Rathbone Screwfix Select

    If this item is only used for repairing a lead on a drill or similar, then I agree with Willy. Their is a big BUT, that is how can you ensure that it will ONLY be used where polarity is unimportant, marking the polarity with paint or another form of identification does not meet the requirements of BS 7671 for polarity. The only polarity reversible outlet permitted by the regs is the bayonet cap lamp holder, remember the adaptors you once could get to plug stuff into the light? They were withdrawn as the polatity could not be determined. My personal view is that this item should be withdrawn from sale in the UK as it does not meet current regulations regarding polarity determination.
     
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  7. Edward Hunter

    Edward Hunter New Member

     
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    Edward Hunter New Member

     
  9. Bob Rathbone

    Bob Rathbone Screwfix Select

    Just taken a look at this connector, should have don't that first. It does have protection against reverse polarity, I have used them in the past and remember that the pins are not placed exactly in the centre line of the plug, it can only be reversed with great effort and some force, so I withdraw my previous comments. Take a good look Edward, you will see a mis alignment of about 1 mm.
     
  10. MGW

    MGW Screwfix Select

    553.2.1 Except for a SELV or a Class II circuit. a cable coupler shall comply where appropriate with BS 196. BS 6991. BS 61535, BS EN 60309-2 or BS EN 60320, shall be non-reversible and shall have provision for the connection of a protective conductor.

    Note except for Class II circuit, so for a lawn mower which has no earth anyway it's OK.
     
  11. WillyEckerslike

    WillyEckerslike Screwfix Select

    Before anyone agrees (or disagrees) with me any more, please note that I was asking if it mattered, not stating that it didn't.
     
  12. Edward Hunter

    Edward Hunter New Member

    Thank you all for your very accurate and helpful replies.
    I have marked very clearly (magic marker) the correct way it has to be conneted. I would have expected the design to have incorporated a "raised moulding" on on side and a "slot" on the other to prevent wrong connecting. All of your comments have been very helpful. Perhaps Screwfix can take this further.
    Eddie Hunter
     
  13. Edward Hunter

    Edward Hunter New Member

    Bob. Sorry but you are wrong. Your first post was correct.
    I have looked carefully at the connector.
    The pind are NOT OFFSET. It is very easy to connect it wtongly.
    Look at the first post where ths lad correctly identified the connector.
    It is from Screwfix and retails at £5.08.
    Check again please.
    Eddie Hunter
     
  14. Bob Rathbone

    Bob Rathbone Screwfix Select

    Eddie, you have the connector in front of you and can see it in detail, this connector must be different to those I have used in the past from the same maker. Sorry to have caused any confusion.
     
  15. Edward Hunter

    Edward Hunter New Member

     
  16. Edward Hunter

    Edward Hunter New Member

    Thanks Bob. The first repiy was from someone called JP
    He attached a link to the exact connector.
    I don't know how to share the link but if you look at JP's post, you can get the link there.
    I am disappointed that they are available as they are not fool proof.
    Thank you for you interest.
     

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