Can I install the boiler myself?

Discussion in 'Plumbers' Talk' started by jase17uk, Jan 15, 2007.

  1. jase17uk

    jase17uk New Member

    As I wont be able to afford a corgi registered plumber to fit new combi boiler but I have a fairly good knowledge of plumbing and know what sort of work will be required to fit a combi... Is it possible for me to fit it. Then leave the gas connections to a corgi registered plumber and test the system without breaking any laws?
  2. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    As I wont be able to afford a corgi registered
    plumber to fit new combi boiler but I have a fairly
    good knowledge of plumbing and know what sort of work
    will be required to fit a combi... Is it possible for
    me to fit it. Then leave the gas connections to a
    corgi registered plumber and test the system without
    breaking any laws?

    You can do the lot if DIYing. See the current thread "Install and maintain your own boiler legally
  3. Walterfilter

    Walterfilter New Member

    There are many threads for you to read and spend hours up reading on diy gas..........

    What the usual suspect do advise is that diy gas work is ok, they are not wrong but always fail to give the whole picture.

    Firstly before embarking on yur installation, find a corgi RGI who is prepared to do the work that you are not, you are arguably allowed to do the lot if competent, your new boilers paperwork will state that the installation of it is undertaken by a RGI in order for your warranty to be valid. Should you install yourself also consider that the installation requires registration with you BCO and in order to achieve this, unless a part L qualified RGI does this, the BCO needs to attend to ensure you have complied with part L ( about £250 in my area), ensure that your gas pipework complies with pipe sizing and siting in relation electrical hazards obviously to comply with regulations (which are still appropriate for diyers) and for your home safety.. Ensure that you have researched flue options to ensure a safe and legal flue terminal...this sort of stuff can fail your installation as can pipe sizing problems.......
  4. having a boiler professionally installed is part and parcel of buying a new boiler (unless you're competent to do it yourself, which I doubt!)

    not having enough money is no excuse.
  5. ally1957

    ally1957 New Member

    As I wont be able to afford a corgi registered
    plumber to fit new combi boiler but I have a fairly
    good knowledge of plumbing and know what sort of work
    will be required to fit a combi... Is it possible for
    me to fit it. Then leave the gas connections to a
    corgi registered plumber and test the system without
    breaking any laws?
    Of course you can. If you are replacing an existing system pipe sizing etc. etc. shouldn't be an issue.
  6. Walterfilter

    Walterfilter New Member

    Of course you can. If you are replacing an existing system pipe sizing etc. etc. shouldn't be an issue.

    A reply that typically ignores variables, if replacing an existing system then typically regs have changed as have boilers since the original install.....so pipe sizing etc is very much an issue. I see many many gas installs with 15mm copper runs as a simple example The poster hasn't stated where the new combi will be sited...a different position perhaps.......

    If you want to offer diy advice then at least offer a complete picture not just banner wave..
  7. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    Firstly before embarking on yur installation, find a
    corgi RGI who is prepared to do the work that you are
    not, you are arguably allowed to do the lot if
    competent,

    Not arguably, <u>he can.</u>

    your new boilers paperwork will state that
    the installation of it is undertaken by a RGI in
    order for your warranty to be valid.


    Nonsense. It says "competent". Glow Worm charged their instructions and don't even mention Corgi.

    Should you install yourself also
    consider that the installation
    requires registration with you BCO
    and in order to achieve this, unless
    a part L qualified RGI does
    this, the BCO needs to attend to ensure you have
    complied with part L ( about £250 in my area), ensure
    that your gas pipework complies with pipe sizing and
    siting in relation electrical hazards obviously to
    comply with regulations (which are still appropriate
    for diyers) and for your home safety. Ensure that
    you have researched flue options to ensure a safe
    and legal flue terminal...this sort of stuff can fail
    your installation as can pipe sizing problems.......

    This site will help a lot:
    http://www.ukcopperboard.co.uk/

    Then he gets a Landlords certificate for a Corgi.
  8. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    having a boiler professionally installed is part and
    parcel of buying a new boiler (unless you're
    competent to do it yourself, which I doubt!)

    not having enough money is no excuse.

    "I have a fairly good knowledge of plumbing and know what sort of work will be required to fit a combi"

    Sounds competent enough to me.
  9. Walterfilter

    Walterfilter New Member

    Nonsense. It says "competent". Glow Worm charged their instructions and don't even mention Corgi.

    Nonsense. If that IS the case, then you should advise him to install only Glow Worm as the others require an RGI...

    This site will help a lot:
    http://www.ukcopperboard.co.uk/

    Then he gets a Landlords certificate for a Corgi.


    Rubbish, BCO require the installation to be registered, a landlord certificate is NOT a certificate which provides proof of Part L compliance and such is the purpose of part L.
  10. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    Nonsense. It says "competent". Glow Worm changed
    their instructions and don't even mention Corgi.


    Nonsense. If that IS the case, then you should advise
    him to install only Glow Worm as the others require
    an RGI...

    No maker can change the law. The <u>law</u> says you only need be <u>competent</u>. They have to go by the <u>law</u>. If an installation is fitted correctly within the law <u>they have to honour the product</u>.
  11. ally1957

    ally1957 New Member

    Of course you can. If you are replacing an
    existing system pipe sizing etc. etc. shouldn't be an
    issue.


    A reply that typically ignores variables, if
    replacing an existing system then typically regs have
    changed as have boilers since the original
    install.....so pipe sizing etc is very much an issue.
    I see many many gas installs with 15mm copper runs
    s as a simple example The poster hasn't stated where
    the new combi will be sited...a different position
    perhaps.......No mention of him re-siting his combi; you are just splitting hairs here>
    If you want to offer diy advice then at least offer a
    complete picture not just banner wave..
  12. Water Systems said:-

    "I have a fairly good knowledge of plumbing and know what sort of work will be required to fit a combi"

    Sounds competent enough to me.


    As a graduate design engineer do you really believe that somebody is competent just because they say they are?

    Did they award your degree just because you told them that you were "on a higher level"? Or did they bother to assess you?

    Such statements show just how little you think about what you write!

    Tony
  13. Walterfilter

    Walterfilter New Member

    No maker can change the law. The law says you only need be competent. They have to go by the law. If an installation is fitted correctly within the law they have to honour the product.

    Yes, yawn, you've mentioned that a zillion times and that is to do with gas installation NOT boiler installation which is dictated by the manufacturer and the product will be outside of warranty if NOT installed by a RGI..absolutely NOTHING to do the UK law your law or your sidekick Allybaba's law........No different than many products that if fitted incorrectly or are tampered with then the warranty is void. This is clear cut, no grey areas and any of your DIY flag waving nonsense does not change a thing. If you are clever enough to persuade diyers otherwise, more fool them, it is they who will lose out....unfortunately not you
  14. Walterfilter

    Walterfilter New Member

    Of course you can. If you are replacing an
    existing system pipe sizing etc. etc. shouldn't be

    an
    issue.

    A reply that typically ignores variables, if
    replacing an existing system then typically regs
    have
    changed as have boilers since the original
    install.....so pipe sizing etc is very much an
    issue.
    I see many many gas installs with 15mm copper runs
    s as a simple example The poster hasn't stated
    where
    the new combi will be sited...a different position
    perhaps.......No mention of him re-siting his
    combi; you are just splitting hairs here
    >
    If you want to offer diy advice then at least offer
    a
    complete picture not just banner wave..


    Laughable, how can anyone split hairs on a boiler install? Re-sited or not how on earth can you assume to say that pipe sizing won't matter because there is a boiler there already. Really shows how inept and incompetent you are and to use ignorance purporting to be knowledge and advise DIYers is a nonsense..

    Just stick to your glossy lift mags....
  15. ally1957

    ally1957 New Member

    No maker can change the law. The law says you only
    need be competent. They have to go by the law. If an
    installation is fitted correctly within the law they
    have to honour the product.


    Yes, yawn, you've mentioned that a zillion times and
    that is to do with gas installation NOT boiler
    installation which is dictated by the manufacturer
    and the product will be outside of warranty if NOT
    installed by a RGI..absolutely NOTHING to do the UK
    law your law or your sidekick Allybaba's
    law........No different than many products that if
    fitted incorrectly or are tampered with then the
    warranty is void. This is clear cut, no grey areas
    and any of your DIY flag waving nonsense does not
    change a thing. If you are clever enough to persuade
    diyers otherwise, more fool them, it is they who will
    lose out....unfortunately not you They are in a lose lose situation anyway with you lot fleecing them at every oppurtunity. If you were really interested in helping the guy you could simply ask him a few questions then advise him accordingly instead of spouting a load of regs and legislation at every turn. It doesn't impress me. Anyone can look up reference books although you have no doubt memorised them by now
  16. ally1957

    ally1957 New Member

    Water Systems said:-

    "I have a fairly good knowledge of plumbing and
    know what sort of work will be required to fit a
    combi"

    Sounds competent enough to me.


    As a graduate design engineer do you really believe
    that somebody is competent just because they say they
    are?

    Did they award your degree just because you told them
    that you were "on a higher level"? Or did they
    bother to assess you?

    Such statements show just how little you think about
    what you write

    This is probably just down to my superior intelligence and attempting to simplify everything too much in order that you lot can grasp the subject matter in question.>
    Tony
  17. gasgasgas

    gasgasgas New Member

    I agree let's drop all the legal stuff and just answer straight questions to help out the average punter trying to better themselves or save some cash bt doing some DIY.
    It's hardly rocket science
  18. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    Water Systems said:-

    "I have a fairly good knowledge of plumbing and
    know what sort of work will be required to fit a
    combi"

    Sounds competent enough to me.


    As a graduate design engineer do you really believe
    that somebody is competent just because they say they
    are?

    You are implying he is a liar. That is a disgusting thing to do.
  19. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    No maker can change the law. The law says you only
    need be competent. They have to go by the law. If an
    installation is fitted correctly within the law they
    have to honour the product.


    Yes, yawn, you've mentioned that a zillion times

    It never sunk in. Keep reading it for ever.
  20. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    They are in a
    lose lose situation anyway with you lot fleecing them
    at every oppurtunity. If you were really interested
    in helping the guy you could simply ask him a few
    questions then advise him accordingly instead of
    spouting a load of regs and legislation at every
    turn.


    Incorrect legislation, as DIY gas work is legal as long as you are competent.

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