Ceiling Joists

Discussion in 'Builders' Talk' started by oggy376, Jul 7, 2016.

  1. oggy376

    oggy376 Member

    Doing some work on an old extension and on pulling the ceiling down to replace it, the missus has walked in and said oh I like the open roof space 'barn type look'

    So my question is, is it possible to either remove every second ceiling joist and transfer the load somehow to the remaining ones or move the ceiling joists further up the rafters while still doing their job of stopping rafters from spreading.
    Just looking for opinions on wether this is possible before forking out for a structural engineer

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  2. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Not worth the expense & hassle.
     
  3. Jitender

    Jitender Screwfix Select

    The timbers look like they have been re-used from a prefabricated roof.
     
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  4. Jitender

    Jitender Screwfix Select

    An option would be to install a steel ridge beam, may need a SE to calculate sizes, is there a wall at either end?

    Then could do away of the joists altogether.

    Rafter may need increasing in size also.
     
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  5. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    A lot of work, a lot of hassle & a large bill for the work,structal engineer,etc, just to tart up a room.:confused:
     
  6. philthespark

    philthespark Active Member

    now you know why you should make sure you get rid of the missus while you do these things,it works out cheaper and easier.It would cost a fair bit to do what you want to do,probably at least a couple of grand.
     
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  7. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Easily, also depends what horrors you may find during the work, so a contingency fund is essential, say another thousand.
    And just looking at 1st photo's starts alarm bells ringing.
     
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  8. Jitender

    Jitender Screwfix Select

    May not require ridge beam, as there are already steels at either side. While the steels are exposed I would get SE to confirm that the bearings are OK (doesn't look like pad stone).
     
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  9. oggy376

    oggy376 Member

    Had hoped there might be an easy and inexpensive fix, but looks like I'll have to send her out and get the ceiling back up pronto
     
  10. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Beam support looks a right mess left side in 1st photo.

    In fact both beams look a mess, now I zoomed in:), prehaps I'm too fussy, too old school.:oops:
     
  11. oggy376

    oggy376 Member

    I had wondered about that, pad stones have been used. Wondering if it's worth getting builder back?
     
  12. Jitender

    Jitender Screwfix Select

    I would look at getting an SE to go over, might be expensive but worth the cost.

    There are pad stones available in 300x330mm in 215 and 140mm thicknesses. This means it would spread across both inner and outer cavities.

    Looks like they have infilled the cavity with block work to one pier? the other side is a better, but still no padstone.
     
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  13. Jitender

    Jitender Screwfix Select

    That was one of the first things I noticed, but kept quiet. :oops:
     
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  14. Jitender

    Jitender Screwfix Select

    I would like to go something like this.

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  15. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    My problem is I'm too fussy, I'm old school like to use padstones, etc, but today some builders just bed steel straight on engineering bricks base pier.:(

    Agree with Jit, worthwhile getting SE to have a nosey.
     
  16. oggy376

    oggy376 Member

    Bit concerned now, is it SE or local building inspector I should contact. I've been made aware SE could be anything between £500-£1200.
    I guess as the builders been paid, if SE isn't happy its up to builder if he comes back to make good or not.
     
  17. Jitender

    Jitender Screwfix Select

    Was the extension carried out under building control? looks like it may have been built pre 2008? or earlier as doesn't have breathable felt.

    Having a sloped ceiling would be the best option. it would need insulation adding.
     
  18. oggy376

    oggy376 Member

    Not sure about building control, the newspapers stuffed into cavity around the old window :rolleyes: suggest 1996
     
  19. Jitender

    Jitender Screwfix Select

    May be worth ringing building control, they may do a free initial visit. But certainly wouldn't be a full fee.

    The insulation would need to be done allowing 50mm airflow. Then over boarded with another layer of insulation. They may tell you what u value is needed.
     
  20. Jitender

    Jitender Screwfix Select

    Spent nearly £1000 on SE for steel sizes and splice connections for loft conversion. (no site visit).
     

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