Controlling numerous shutters from 1 switch

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by Matt-1, May 18, 2015.

  1. Matt-1

    Matt-1 Member

    Afternoon all,

    Currently working on a rewire of a commercial premises

    We have a RFC for the window shutters, which include FCU's at each of the window roller shutters

    Now the owners have decided they would like 1 switch under the counter to control all of the shutters from 1 switch, now the spark was on a different job today so I havnt had chance to ask him, but from what I hear he is planning on putting in a relay, then sending separate cables out to each of the 8 x shutters

    Is there not a easier way of doing this ? and also could somebody please explain to me how this works ( im just a trainee )

    Thanks very much

    Matt
     
  2. seneca

    seneca Screwfix Select

    If it's just a case of switching on/off the power, depending on layout/cable runs etc. i'd probably consider feeding the RFC from the breaker in 4mm cable and putting in a DP switch so that the ring could be switched from there?
     
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  3. Matt-1

    Matt-1 Member

    Hi Seneca, thanks for your reply

    To be honest your post is exactly what I was thinking could be done, but Im guessing they are wanting the switch to open and close the window security shutters from 1 switch under the trade counter

    Now ill be honest, ive never worked with shutters before, and dont have any knowledge of how they work ?

    If power is killed to the shutter would they go down ? If so then interrupting the circuit with a DP switch would work wouldnt it ? But im guessing thats not how they work

    Im just trying to get an idea of how these are connected up and possible solutions instead of having to pull in over 200m of cable if there is another possible solution

    The shutters are all single phase with no outside key control, and are supplied with 1.5mm 4 core flex

    Thanks again

    Matt
     
  4. seneca

    seneca Screwfix Select

    I must admit that I don't know any more about shutter controls than you do Matt!
     
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  5. Matt-1

    Matt-1 Member

    Me neither Seneca, I was just trying to get a bit of an idea of how they worked and if there was a way they could be interlinked to open / close on 1 switch without running a load more cable to each shutter

    Thanks again

    Matt
     
  6. Rulland

    Rulland Screwfix Select

    My gut feeling suggests more cores will be required to each shutter for uppy /downy workings unfortunately.
     
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  7. Matt-1

    Matt-1 Member

    Thanks Rutland, looks like im going to have to pull them in then !

    Could you explain to me how it will work please ?

    At the minute we have a ring of t&e with FCU's above each window, with a 4 core flex hanging out from the motor of the shutter, I just dont understand how he was planning to connect these up

    Thanks very much

    Matt
     
  8. seneca

    seneca Screwfix Select

    I'd guess that's the case Rulland.
     
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  9. Matt-1

    Matt-1 Member

    So its going to be a case of running another 4 core to each shutter through a switch to be able to control the up / down of the shutters

    Thanks again

    Matt
     
  10. Rulland

    Rulland Screwfix Select

    I would think that the four core will go to a shutter control switch which would normally just switch the live to either one core for up and one core for down, plus neutral and earth obviously.
     
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  11. CraigMcK

    CraigMcK Screwfix Select

    You might find the inrush to 8 motors all starting at the same time is enough to trip the MCB. Do you have details of the motor and size of MCB feeding the circuit?
     
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  12. Matt-1

    Matt-1 Member

    Just thought I would udpate this thread

    Managed to speak to the guy installing the roller shutters today, and basically the FCU RFC we had originally installed is now redundant as the spec was to have each shutter with a separate control box for each, and a separate switch for each, this has now been changed to 1 switch and a 8 way control unit to control them all from the 1 switch

    So we now have a radial circuit connected to a FCU, which then powers the shutter control unit, with 4 core going out of the relays to the shutter motors, no problem, it all makes sense to me now..

    But... I brought up the question of '' what about local isolation for each shutter '' for which I had no answer given

    I would like to know your input on this please guys

    P.S, please remember im only a trainee so dont get too technical with me :D

    Thanks

    Matt
     
  13. Rulland

    Rulland Screwfix Select

    As CraigMcK, there is still the high initial current draw, and, as you have suggested, local isolation for each shutter if one decides to play silly bug...rs, I suppose somat like a triple pole fan isolator killing the neutral and two lives (up and down) could be used.
     

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