EV Pressure on Junior 28i

Discussion in 'Plumbers' Talk' started by fluefinder, May 18, 2017.

  1. fluefinder

    fluefinder New Member

    Hi All
    I have just had a new EV fitted piggy back on my system by a gas safe engineer. The pressure rises quicker and higher than before. I depressed the valve on top to release the pressure and there is nothing in it, I put a pressure meter on it and it read 0 has anyone any idea what is going on? I did pump it up to 1 bar but still no difference, pressure still rises quickly to 3 + bar Any suggestions would be greatly received.
    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Dave does Gas

    Dave does Gas Screwfix Select

    If its just been fitted and not working get him back, do not touch it yourself as that would invalidate any warranty you may have
     
  3. As Dave says.

    (But, for your info, they are normally pre-pressurised to around 0.75bar, perhaps up to 1 bar. The important point, however, is - the air side should be pressurised to this level when the water side is at zero, or before it's actually fitted. If the water side has any pressure, that will affect the air side's readings. Even if the water side reads '0', it still acts as a firm water barrier so could have an effect. Ideally, a radiator bleed screw should be opened until it stops flowing, and then left open as the air side it pressurised - more water should be ejaculated as this happens, keeping it at a genuine zero.)
     
  4. fluefinder

    fluefinder New Member

    Hi,
    Phoned the fitter straight away but he cant get back for a week. He recons the system will need power flushing to keep the pressure constant at a cost of £350. I don't mind paying if this is going to cure the problem, but I don't want to keep throwing money at it if it would be more efficient to get a new boiler. I did drain the system down of all water and pressurised the ev to 0.75bar,refilled the system, bled off the radiators and pressurised to just over 1bar, now 2 days later the pressure is over 2 bar and rises to between 3-4bar. will the power flushing alleviate this?
    Thanks in advance.
     
  5. Sludge in a system is guilty of many crimes against boilers, but I can't see it being responsible here. Sometimes sludge will block the narrow pipe to a pressure gauge, giving a false reading, but that usually means it reads low.

    And, you said that you checked the air pressure in the new exp vess, and it read zero - that's an exp vess that hasn't been set up properly.

    Is the boiler's gauge a digital or analogue one?

    These fluctuating pressures you mention, when exactly do they happen? Is it when you turn on the rads, for example?

    And are you 100% certain you haven't left the top-up tap partially open?
     
  6. fluefinder

    fluefinder New Member

    Hi
    The boiler gauge is analogue. No problem with hot water, if anything it is to hot. Problem is just with central heating. Fitter did leave the tap open slightly causing a drip, but since I set it up it is closed properly, no drip.
    I wouldn't think the pipe to the gauge is blocked the arrow does move freely up and down with pressure according to heat in the system. Another fitter told me he may have put the ev on the flow instead of the return pipe,
    that's got me worried, would it make any difference?
     
  7. Mike83

    Mike83 Screwfix Select

    Does the presssure ever drop quite low and need topped up?
    Why was the additional vessel fitted? Was it because the pressure was simply rising or was it rising then dropping, and requiring topped up with pressure.
    If not it could be a passing filling loop or leaking DHW heat exchanger causing the pressure to continuously rise.
     
  8. Caused a drip? Where? Out your safety discharge pipe?

    Let's hope your PRV has closed properly - usually, once opened, they don't close fully, so allow the system to lose pressure over time - very annoying.

    Anyhoo, I'm not a plumber but some info is chust so available that most peeps - like me - have an inkling of what's involved. And I'd surmise that your plumber is a twit.

    Remote EVs should ideally be fitted on a system where they cannot be affected by valves and stuff, so that usually means on the return. I cannot see any way fitting it on the flow will help.

    Here's an example info vid -

    He reckons his EV was pre-charged to 1.5bar, which I thought was high. But what the hell do I know.

    A trick often described on this forum when an EV blows is to drain half a radiator - and that effectively becomes an EV.

    Anyhoo, not sure what to suggest about your plumber - I guess it doesn't matter too much what he does as long as (a) he fixes it as he should and (b) doesn't charge any more money for it.

    Because he shouldn't charge you any more for not fixing something he should have...
     
  9. fluefinder

    fluefinder New Member

    Thanks all for your knowhow, I will have to wait for my fitter to return.
    In response to mike83 the ev was fitted because the original was completely filled with water. The pressure always rises and never lowers, except when it is cooling down,
    and then it is higher than the day before.
    Once again THANKS.
     
  10. Let us know what he does to sort this - it's an interesting one.

    If the original one was full of water, then obviously the diaphragm inside had burst and it was no longer working.

    The symptom of this is roughly as you say; the pressure would rise dramatically as the system heats up and the sealed & heated system water has nowhere to expand to. As the system cools down, the pressure should also drop right down - possibly below what it was originally because sometimes some water is expelled out the PRV when it's at max pressure.

    What should NOT happen is that the pressure falls to a higher-than-original level when it cools down (not unless you've been topping it up).
     

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