Fitting shower base

Discussion in 'Plumbers' Talk' started by tore81, May 5, 2017.

  1. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    I've asked s similar question Awhile ago but haven't got round too fitting. As other jobs have got in the way.

    I am now actually at the stage of fitting the shower tray. Which I have got from plumb centre.

    So my questions are?

    Should I use the adjustable feet or disregard and use timber. Not a Clue how to fit the legs.

    Just for future reference can the shower tray sit directly on to the floor, or is there different types as I hsve bought one with legs so is this only designed to hsve the legs on. Debating wether to sit it directly on to the floor grr.

    I hsve dry lined the walls now so I'm guessing a good dollop of silicunt :) to the wall then tile on to thst.

    Any tips or advice guys would be helpful. Thanks in advance
     
  2. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    Spellchecker might help, especially as far as silicone is concerned. :eek::eek:
     
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  3. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    Come on guys it was a joke
     
  4. G&W Plumbing & Heating

    G&W Plumbing & Heating Active Member

    do you need advice?
     
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  5. CGN

    CGN Screwfix Select

    There's usually self adhesive pads to stick the legs to the base Tore.

    I sometimes make a frame out of 4x2, but also use the riser kits.
    There should be an instruction book supplied showing you the layout of the legs for your particular tray.
    I usually set the outer legs up to the height of the skirt, level the tray up, then wind down the inner legs to the floor. You'll prob need to do some tweaking and also need to take into account the thickness of any flooring going down regarding the skirt.
    Once I'm happy they're set correctly, I'll reach under the tray and make a pencil mark around the feet and then carefully lift out the tray being careful not to disturb the legs. I'll then put a blob of silicon where the feet go and silicon the sides of the tray. Lift back in and settle it down, then check levels again. A bit fiddly, but pretty much like adjusting kitchen base units. The floor must be solid and not flex...I usually put down minimum 18mm wbp ply. Once the silicon has set, it'll be rock solid :)
     
  6. Wayners

    Wayners Screwfix Select

    You need to make sure it's not a rocker. By standing with a foot in each corner and shift your weight some trays rock breaking seal. Timber frame around edge can stop this. Depends if you have solid walls to fix timer to. Best answer above though. Just make it solid.
     
  7. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    Thanks for replys. I'm thinking of scrapping the legs off.

    Can I use the shower base directly on the floor just thinking it looks a bit smarter. Any thought on this


    Floor is solid. And used 18mm ply

    Surely it still the same tray
     
  8. G&W Plumbing & Heating

    G&W Plumbing & Heating Active Member

    If the floor is solid bed it on cement,

    Use CT-1 on the trap seals and where it tightens into the tray as you don't want it leaking, you can still clean the trap out from removing the centre piece from above
     
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  9. CGN

    CGN Screwfix Select

    Is it a stone resin tray?

    Anyway, yes, more modern and sleek to fit directly on the floor. Two considerations are routing the waste pipe with regards to joists and getting adequate fall and access to the trap.

    Can you get a 40mm waste to your soil pipe without going through a joist? If you can, then great and use solvent weld pipe and fittings. Use a good quality trap such as a MacAlpine that allows top access to clear out any crud if it gets blocked.
    Most manufacturers recommend bedding the tray down on to a sand and cement mix. You have to be careful to get this right as it can be prone to cracking or not adhering to the ply. Use SBR to prime ply and underside of tray.

    Anyway, place tray down on ply, mark around waste hole. Remove tray, and measure flange on trap. Make sure you cut the hole in the ply a bit bigger than this measurement to make sure the trap doesn't catch on the flooring. You may also need to cut out a slot to prevent the outlet catching(see photo). Depending on flooring and which way your waste is running, you may be able to fit trap and pipe up after fitting the tray, if not you need to align the trap and support it (allowing some movement) so you can screw the top collar into it after fitting the tray.
     

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  10. tore81

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  11. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    It's just your standard shower tray, maybe the fibre glass type. I'll have to find out.

    I've cut hole out ready in ply. thankyou for the pic CGN, I wasn't going to do it like that but makes perfect sense. Easier to see from your pic.

    I will turn my mcalpine on its side like yours and hopefully everything will line up.

    Not sure about a cement base I'm guessing that's needed to keep it level, couldn't I pack it up
     
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  12. CGN

    CGN Screwfix Select

    You need to make sure it's supported well. IMO, it's harder to fit on the deck than using a rider kit but pros and cons to both.

    With a shallow trap, there is t much clearance between the bottom of the tray and the nut on the outlet, so when allowing for the thickness of the cement base, you'll find it catches the ply unless you slot it.

    Can you confirm what your tray is made of? If it's fibreglass and came with legs and doesn't have a removable skirt then it prob isn't suitable for fixing direct to the floor with cement. Most low profile trays are only about 40mm.
     
  13. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    Just looking at the shower tray and it says qc. Skin formed.

    Pic attached measurements were 800x800.

    Is this a clay type? which can go directly on the floor. If so how do I level it other than mortar mix. Never done that before but if that's the best way I'll have to give it a go.

    Thanks
     

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  14. CGN

    CGN Screwfix Select

    Looks fine for floor mounting Tore. Get it in place and see how level it is before you start thinking of how to stick it down. You can use a bed of tile adhesive instead of cement...easier to work with!
     
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  15. tore81

    tore81 Screwfix Select

    I'm going to be attempting it the weekend.

    Does seem a bit of a fiddle. Would I silicone waste onto shower first.

    Or do it like you have done in the picture connect it all up below then silicone before screwing down? I wanted to seal bottom and top of trap.

    What's the preferred method. Or do I get the trap attached like you have it in the pic smear of silicone on then silicone from the top screw down.

    Going to be fun
     
  16. CGN

    CGN Screwfix Select

    Depends where your trap is situated in relation to the tray Tore. In the pic I showed, my only option was to do it like that due to how the waste ran. That's why you need some room to jiggle the trap. You must do a dry run first and make sure that whatever thickness of 'adhesive' you put under the tray, the trap and pipework can also move up that amount. If you can Get access to the waste hole after the tray goes down then perfect, fit the trap as a separate operation. This can sometimes be achieved by taking up some floor in an adjacent room, but all depends on layout etc.
    I always put a bead of silicon on the trap as I never want to touch the trap again once fitted for the life of the bathroom :)
     
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  17. lewis jackson

    lewis jackson New Member

    timber frame would be my recomendation
     
  18. G&W Plumbing & Heating

    G&W Plumbing & Heating Active Member

    Unbelievable

    17 replies

    Different and what a mountain mole hill
     

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