gravity fed heating system - check valve

Discussion in 'Plumbers' Talk' started by hungry bunny, May 13, 2008.

  1. hungry bunny

    hungry bunny New Member

    Hi,
    I've got a gravity fed heating system and now the weather is warm we want just hot water only, however the upstairs radiators are still coming on. I've looked this up and found we need a new check valve.

    Can anyone give me an idea of how much I should be paying someone to come and sort it out?

    Thanks
     
  2. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    Convert it to fully pumped. Quicker and more efficient.
     
  3. hungry bunny

    hungry bunny New Member

    Thanks v much for your response. I'm a bit of a novice to say the least!! What does that mean exactly? Do I need an alternative pump to the check valve? And will that make getting hot water quicker/better?
     
  4. wetneck

    wetneck New Member

    Get a Plumber to fit a new check valve,approx £100.00 then seek advice about converting your gravity system to one thats pumped,obviously cost a lot more to do this.HTH
     
  5. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    Thanks v much for your response. I'm a bit of a
    novice to say the least!! What does that mean
    exactly? Do I need an alternative pump to the check
    valve? And will that make getting hot water
    quicker/better?

    The best way is to fit another pump on the flow or return to the cylinder and have a check valve in front of each pump. A cylinder stat and a probably a small cheap electric relay (£5 from Maplin) will need to be fitted in a plastic box adjacent. Then the programmer will need to be set to accept fully pumped and independent DHW and CH. The cylinder will reheat in a fraction of the time.

    Best go that route, unless you intend to replace the boiler soon.
     
  6. wetneck

    wetneck New Member

    Thanks v much for your response. I'm a bit of a
    novice to say the least!! What does that mean
    exactly? Do I need an alternative pump to the
    check
    valve? And will that make getting hot water
    quicker/better?

    The best way is to fit another pump on the flow or
    return to the cylinder and have a check valve in
    front of each pump. A cylinder stat and a probably a
    small cheap electric relay (£5 from Maplin) will need
    to be fitted in a plastic box adjacent. Then the
    programmer will need to be set to accept fully pumped
    and independent DHW and CH. The cylinder will reheat
    in a fraction of the time.

    Best go that route, unless you intend to replace the
    boiler soon.

    And where would he place the pump on the flow of the cylinder?
     
  7. wetneck

    wetneck New Member

    What happens when the check valve sticks shut on the flow of a gravity system?
     
  8. rome60

    rome60 New Member

    HB,nurmerous options here - (basic) either fit a dumb ball valve on heating flow at boiler, or a good quality gate valve on heating flow manually operated,or fit a 2port zone valve on heating flow,or add to any of the mentioned options a honeywell C plan ie- motorised valve on primary flow plus thermastat on cylinder,or convert to fully pumped honeywell S plan ie- 2 motorised valves,cylinder stat,room stat.If you are happy with system as it is apart from the thermal syphonage to upstairs rads go for 1 of the first 3 options.:D:D

    Don"t consider what Water Systems mentions you don"t need 2 pumps ;(
     
  9. Captain Leaky

    Captain Leaky New Member

    or just leave it as it is :)
     
  10. heatyman

    heatyman Well-Known Member

    or just leave it as it is :)

    and turn off the radiator valves!!
    Martin
     
  11. Captain Leaky

    Captain Leaky New Member

    Ooh er, thanks Martin
     
  12. hungry bunny

    hungry bunny New Member

    cheers for the advice guys, Lots for me to think about there!

    Martin - beat you to it on that one - I had managed to figure out that turning off the radiator valves is a short term solution. But with british weather being the way it is, I don't want to go round the house turning on the radiator valves everytime I want a bit of heat in the summer! Hence why I'm looking for a proper solution, but cheers anyway.
     
  13. Captain Leaky

    Captain Leaky New Member

    You could always fit TRV's, they are a bit easier to turn on and off and you can leave them on a low setting so they only come on when cold...or upgrade as advised.
     
  14. Omniscient Polymath

    Omniscient Polymath New Member

    HB,

    Is it gravity fed in the term of F&E tank in the the attic meaning vented system or gravity circulation..F*ck me it must be old.

    By the way, do not under any circumstance take advice from WS, as you can see most guy's on here will give a practical cheap solution to your problem. Althoug, are a bit vague on sytem type.

    Where as WS is talking about relays from maplin..F*ck me what a tool.

    Just proves he's literature spouting tube with no practical nouse at all. Relay's are generally only used to switch high loads from a small control voltage or by placing an earth on the relay as in aircraft cockpit switching. I would suggest not standard in many home heating installations.
     
  15. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    Thanks v much for your response. I'm a bit of a
    novice to say the least!! What does that mean
    exactly? Do I need an alternative pump to the
    check
    valve? And will that make getting hot water
    quicker/better?

    The best way is to fit another pump on the flow or
    return to the cylinder and have a check valve in
    front of each pump. A cylinder stat and a probably
    a
    small cheap electric relay (£5 from Maplin) will
    need
    to be fitted in a plastic box adjacent. Then the
    programmer will need to be set to accept fully
    pumped
    and independent DHW and CH. The cylinder will
    reheat
    in a fraction of the time.

    Best go that route, unless you intend to replace
    the
    boiler soon.

    And where would he place the pump on the flow of
    the cylinder?

    Do you know? Or don't you know?
     
  16. heatyman

    heatyman Well-Known Member


    Where as WS is talking about relays from maplin..F*ck
    me what a tool.

    Just proves he's literature spouting tube with no
    practical nouse at all. Relay's are generally only
    used to switch high loads from a small control
    voltage or by placing an earth on the relay as in
    aircraft cockpit switching. I would suggest not
    standard in many home heating installations.
    Drayton used to market the RB1 and RB2 which were single and double relays respectively. They were used to switch boilers, valves and pumps from a common source, eg s frost or pump overun stat without getting a back feed and switching everything else on. Nowadays, end switches in valves have largely made them redundant.
    Martin
     
  17. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member


    Where as WS is talking
    about relays from maplin..F*ck
    me what a tool.

    Do you mean Maplin do not sell relays

    Just proves he's literature spouting tube with no
    practical nouse at all. Relay's are generally only
    used to switch high loads from a small control
    voltage or by placing an earth on the relay as in
    aircraft cockpit switching. I would suggest not
    standard in many home heating installations.

    You clearly have not got a clue.

    Drayton used to market the RB1 and RB2 which were
    single and double relays respectively. They were used
    to switch boilers, valves and pumps from a common
    source, eg s frost or pump overun stat without
    getting a back feed and switching everything else on.
    Nowadays, end switches in valves have largely made
    them redundant.
    Martin

    Are they still available? However if you want a two pump system a relay invariably has to be used. Maplin sell them inc base for around £5. Just fit them in a plastic electric box on the wall. I always bought two and put one in the box as a spare, if the relay burnt out plug one in and out. This sort of thing baffles plumbers, but second nature to heating men.
     
  18. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    The Drayton RB1 relay and box is ....£54. Wow!!!!! You can knock one up for around £10 in minutes with parts from Maplin.
     
  19. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    Where as WS is talking about relays from maplin..F*ck
    me what a tool.

    This plumbelec man is totally mad. He should stick to drains.
     
  20. rome60

    rome60 New Member

    Hungry bunny,Just read my post they are the options from basic (which is the type of system you have) to a modern fully pumped system.Your choice. ;);)
     

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