Help! Worktop Join

Discussion in 'Kitchen Fitters' Talk' started by Coakers84, Oct 17, 2014.

  1. Coakers84

    Coakers84 New Member

    We have just had a large national company install a kitchen for us, including some solid oak worktops which we spent a bit of money on.

    We are not happy with the join between the 2 worktops (pic attached). The worktop on the right is a breakfast bar and we believe it is therefore movable.

    They have told us this was the only way to do the join and they couldn't do anything else. We are looking for a professional opinion as to whether there were any other options?

    Thanks
     

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  2. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Apart from the gap around the pillar (next to the wall, probably to allow for expansion), I can't see anything wrong with the joint itself. I'm assuming it has worktop bolts securing it underneath and is flat across the joint ?
     
  3. Coakers84

    Coakers84 New Member

    It's the angle. It's neither a butt nor a mitre. It curves away from the edge of the right hand worktop.

    We expected the join to be square with the worktop.
     
  4. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Possibly been done like that to retain a bit more strength in the joint (shortened because of the pillar/pier) ;)
     
  5. Rulland

    Rulland Screwfix Select

    I'm on one now!..................

    We are all doing the best we can in our chosen professions, I see so many clients chosing to 'go off on one' right at the end of the works undertaken at agreed prices etc, usually for simple reasons, trying to claw back a bit of 'petty' money, usually because they've over spent and thus try to claw it back via the innocent tradesmen.
     
  6. metrokitchens

    metrokitchens Screwfix Select

    I would say the top is fitted about as well as can be expected with the nib being in that position. To do the mitre straight would have left a narrow piece of top which would be susceptible to breaking.
    On solid wood I prefer a 45deg mitre so the grain flows round. But others don't.
    Nice bit of wood though btw. Looks well prepared and the fitter seems to have thought ahead re the cutting.
    What company did you buy the kitchen from?
     
  7. plumberboy

    plumberboy Well-Known Member

    Deep breaths Rulland mate,its not worth it.;) But I know exactly what you mean.:mad:
     
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  8. Rulland

    Rulland Screwfix Select

    And breath!, glad its not just me Plumberboy, so fecking frustrating when you've done your best price wise and work wise, and then they try to sh!t on you for the want of peanuts.
     
  9. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    Nope. The only thing I can think is that it was done like that so to keep the overlap at the breakfast bar equal. But then we can't see what's under the breakfast bar and if there is any need to equal an overlap! We also can't see the other side/edge, and maybe where to keep full width, it needed to be brought in a tad at the joint.

    Mr. HandyAndy - Really
     
  10. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Thinking about it, if there's units under the breakfast bar, it may well have had to be done this way to keep the overhang right. Just a shame that the pillar happens to be in the wrong place.
     
  11. plumberboy

    plumberboy Well-Known Member

    Your right Rulland,they will always try it on at the end of the job when your in to deep to argue.:mad:
    Thinking about it I think it's an illness with some folk.(short arms and deep pockets):)
     
  12. Coakers84

    Coakers84 New Member

    Thanks for the comments. The left hand piece of wood is a solid 4m length of full stave oak so it cost us dearly which is why we were disappointed. The kitchen is the second most expensive thing we've ever purchased (second to our house). Besides, the company provides a workmanship guarantee (something else we had to cough up for) so we don't think we're being unkind - but do want to understand what the options were as we weren't given any options. You could argue the pillar's not in the wrong position - the breakfast bar is. It could have been positioned 20mm further to the right (the overhang dimension) - in which case the left hand piece would have been positioned straight up to the pillar and the right hand piece could have made a straight butt with it.

    This isn't about trying to grab a bit of money - we just want it to look right - ie: to a professional standard.
     
  13. plumberboy

    plumberboy Well-Known Member

    Go back to the company in question with your issues,you won't get a good professional opinion from a picture let's be honest.:confused:
     
  14. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    See, being cynically minded, you might think that the edge of the first worktop could have been chipped, so the thought of very slightly mitring got rid of the problem!!!!!
    oooooo!

    Mr. HandyAndy - Really
     
  15. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Can you get a photo of the units underneath? Specifically a view looking towards where the join between the units on the back wall and the units coming out at right angles meet. ;);)
     
  16. Hmm, it's a weird one.

    (Rulland et al, let's cut Coakers a bit of slack - there is no suggestion that he's picky, or trying it on or even aiming for a discount. He's just asked a perfectly valid question 'cos he clearly wasn't given a proper answer by the fitters.)

    And, it is a strange one, isn't it? Having such an unusual - slight - angle is always going to catch the eye as being something 'not right', just like a unit or shelf that's a wee bit off-level.

    I mean, what possible good reason could there be for not keeping the left hand worktop edge dead square? And then 'Masoning' it slightly into the b'bar?

    I can't think of one. (Not to say there isn't a good reason, of course).

    So that leaves the suspicion of an error of some sort, such as what Mr Ha says - the end of the LH worktop might have been damaged, so they decided on this as a way of trimming it.

    In which case - sorry - I know it'll cost a packet to replace, but it ain't good enough. Kitchens are not only very expensive fitments, but tend to be an emotive one too - it's the 'big thing' in the house, the one very visual statement that a lot of people dream about. So only one standard is acceptable.

    Unless there is a valid reason.

    Which no one has come up with yet.
     
  17. Coakers84

    Coakers84 New Member

    Thanks for the comments guys.

    It just catches your eye every time you walk in the room because the angle is so strangely slightly off.

    We'll go back and talk to the company again.
     
  18. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    Personally I think it would have looked better like this.


    IMAG1706.jpg
     
  19. Yep. And I cannot think of any structural reason why they wouldn't have done this; it's the 'obvious' way, and it's easier to do.

    So that leaves the suspicion of an 'error' or a 'misjudgement' by a fitter in choosing a silly solution. Or, that they were covering up for something else.

    In either of these cases, it also means they are being less than truthful with their customer - and that alone deserves a full metaphorical kicking.
     
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  20. snezza30

    snezza30 Member

    I agree with Phil the Pavers drawing. It is how I would have done it in those circumstances.

    However, if there had been enough material available, I would have done a complete 45 degree mitre to allow the "Flow" of the grain.

    Snezza.
     

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