Ideal Logik + wireless digital thermostat

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by bond007, Dec 15, 2014.

  1. Ok, see if you can identify where the cables are going from that centre box.

    There's a round white cable - that looks as tho' it's going to the boiler? In which case, how many wires does it have inside?

    There's also a grey 'flat' cable heading off the same way - is that also going to the boiler? (If so, it'll likely be the boiler control and/or the frost 'stat.)

    Then there's two more flat grey cables heading straight upwards. I'm guessing that one at least is the mains power to that whole assembly - the other could be the mains loop carrying on to the next mains socket.

    And then there's a wider flat grey cable coming down the wall and going through a hole. I don't suppose that is going to the 'stat in the connie, is it? Or to the timer in the kitchen.


    Ok, you cannot do this job unless you know what these cables are.

    What I would do personally is to remove the timer as it'll no longer be needed. Also remove the 'stat in the connie - ditto.

    Your wireless receiver will then be mounted on that wall close to the other boxes - perhaps below that central box? Most of the cables there will be got rid off, and the receiver wired in.

    At the moment your boiler has a mains feed to power it. It also has a 'control' wire going to it which has come from the room 'stat which in turn has been supplied from the timer. All that will go, and the control wire will be supplied by the receiver.

    Once you tell us what all these cables are, we'll be able to tell you what - and whether... - you wire.
     
  2. bond007

    bond007 Well-Known Member

     
  3. bond007

    bond007 Well-Known Member


    The round white cable, the wire terminate at the end of the picture showed on "1506"

    grey flat cable heading same way seem to be going into to the timer control in the kitchen, defo not terminating into the boiler.

    I know one of the grey cables is going to the stat in the conservatory, it says it on it where the boxing is in the connie

    So will have to connect the receiver to the main box or into the boiler or both?
     
  4. Could you post a slightly wider version of 1506 - so that we can see the actual end of the white cable?

    You should be able to connect your receiver to the white box in the middle using just 3-core + earth cable.

    All the wires you need to connect it to should already be inside that white box in t'middle.

    The existing timer and connie 'stat should ideally be completely removed and the wiring disconnected at that white box - and as much cable as possible also removed.

    You must know what you are doing before you start.

    So, three 'shoulds' and a 'must'.

    Not really sure we'll be able to guide you through this.
     
  5. bond007

    bond007 Well-Known Member


    Let me open the inside of the main box and we will take it from there.
     
  6. Loving the optimism :)
     
  7. bond007

    bond007 Well-Known Member

    Right guys it's not as simple as a thought.
    Image 1523 is the centre box open.
    The two grey flat wires running up from it terminate at image 1525. This is the centre box for my underfloor heating.
    The grey wire coming down from the box is fo my conservatory wall stat.

    So your thoughts guys..
    Which centre box is the receiver meant to be connected too
     

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  8. Sorry, Bond - I'm stepping away from this one. There's U/F heating too?!

    This is chust too much to do 'remotely'. Soz... :(
     
  9. bond007

    bond007 Well-Known Member

    The conni stat wire runs from there on to the wall mounted stat.

    Yes underfloor heating too but it's independent from the main central heating system.
     

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  10. flateric

    flateric Well-Known Member

    Its one of those need to be there scenarios :) the wider picture .......... Its one of those hands on jobs. Get someone in you have had a few good tips ............ Time to crack your wallet open and get someone in upload_2014-12-17_20-58-55.jpeg
     
  11. flateric

    flateric Well-Known Member

    Good replies DA although sadly gone unappreciated :( Here from me upload_2014-12-17_21-7-13.jpeg
     
  12. bond007

    bond007 Well-Known Member

    I appreciate them :):):)

    Really thought i had it then in getting closer to installing the reciever. O well i will just have to call a sparky out.
    Could probably talk him through what i need doing and where to start...lol
     
  13. Bond, the sparky won't need talking through anything.

    This can't be done over a forum - not without one of us jumping in front of a train.

    It just won't work with us saying things like "take that wire and stick it there instead..." Too many wires involved.

    If you really want to DIY this, you really need to be able to work out what's involved yourself - it's asking for mega problems if you don't understand what's happening.

    So here it is - an overview. So's you can make the judgement...

    Your boiler has a power supply - it'll still need to have this. It also has a 'control' wire to make it come on 'Central Heating'.

    You also have a programmer and a room 'stat. Both of these also have a mains power supply, although the 'stat only becomes live when the prog tells it to.

    Ok, when the programmer 'turns on' the CH, it sends a live signal to the room 'stat. If the room 'stat also calls for heat then it sends this signal on to the boiler to switch it on.

    You mention you also have U/F heating? Is this supplied by this same boiler? If 'yes', then I'm guessing there is also a motorised valve in the circuit to enable the rad circuit and the U/F circuit to be controlled independently of each other. In which case the room 'stat I mentioned above doesn't send this 'on' signal to the boiler, but sends it to the motorised valve instead. And this motorised valve also has a power supply.

    So, when the programmer goes 'on' and sends this 'on' signal to the room 'stat, and the 'stat also says "I want heat", it sends this 'on' signal to the motorised valve which activates and opens the flow pipe and then sends this 'on' signal to the boiler. Which then comes on.

    All you need to do is rip out the programmer and the room 'stat, keep the motorised valve, and insert the receiver into the circuit in the place of the prog and 'stat.

    Job done.
     
  14. bond007

    bond007 Well-Known Member


    Much appreciated for all your input so far. So from what you'v said, in essence the receiver to the wireless thermostat needs to be connected to the control box of where the underfloor heating goes right?(img 1525). P,s am not going to attempt to do a DIY job, just get a sparky to do it. If i can narrow down as much as possible then saves him time i guess.
     
  15. I honestly don't know. I'd have thought it would get connected to the white central wiring box. But I don't know.

    And your sparky will have a glazed look on his face as you tell him 'all you know', and will then go off and work it all out for himself... :)
     
  16. bond007

    bond007 Well-Known Member

    Hahah , that sounds about right. O well been a good learning curve for me.

    Any sparkys shed any more light on it?...
     

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