Legal advice

Discussion in 'Screwfix' started by Dazron, Jul 3, 2014.

  1. Dazron

    Dazron New Member

    My neighbours have just built an extension on the back of their house.
    I allowed them to remove a row of paving slabs from my patio after they agreed to have it all replaced as it was. This was for laying the foundations. I also allowed them the use of my garden.
    Their builder then broke one of my slabs and also managed to lose one. My neighbours now think they have the right to put any old slabs down they like ( the ones they got are no way a colour match ) or I have to have gravel instead.
    Where do I stand on this ? I now have a incomplete patio and a 12ft wall as a fence.
    Dazron
     
  2. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    you don't need legal advise, you need a pint of common sense - when you verbally agreed for them to make use of your garden, along with verbally agreeing that they will make good after the works I suspect you were on good speaking terms with them

    so talk to them, tell them you aren't at all happy - hopefully they will do whatever they can to make you happy

    if they, or their builder isn't interested in making you happy then there's sod all you can legally do to force them to make good, don't get all bitter and twisted, ask them very nicely, a number of times, if no joy then perhaps send them a formal letter expressing your dissatisfaction

    now if you have a proper written agreement documenting the terms of use along with how the making good will be carried out .......

    perhaps another of lifes lessons
     
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  3. Dazron

    Dazron New Member

    We were on very good terms , but now they have what they want their not interested. He has told me its now my problem.
    And yes it is a life lesson, maybe I'm too helpful for my own good.
     
  4. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    you now know what to do when they next ask for a favour ;)
     
  5. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    just the add, a gentlemans agreement is legally binding in certain circumstances, this is one of those, where it wouldn't necessarily be deemed necessary to have a written agreement for such an event.
    So in short get them to sort it out to your satisfaction or you sue for a whole new patio, Simples.
     
  6. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    don't forget to add a few grand for mental anguish and geranium damage
     
  7. Dazron

    Dazron New Member

  8. Dazron, what a time to find out your neighb is a complete 'hole.

    Your choice is simple; Sean's or Phil's :rolleyes:

    If you decide Sean's, then remain the calm, reasonable & dignified fellow you are at the moment. Appeal to any decency they may have left in them. If that proves fruitless, then at least you know where you stand with them, you know how to treat them (with complete indifference), and come the day they need another favour, you resist smiling too much and just tell them 'Non - and you know why.'

    You write them letters and you keep dated copies. In it you explain your deep disappointment that one neighbour can treat another this way, especially when you showed them such helpfulness with their project. You add that you don't want to become the type of selfish neighbour who will in future automatically say "NO!" to any request for help by a fellow neighbour - you want to remain a helpful and thoughtful member of the neighbourhood, but their attitude risks destroying your trust. (Really go for it - turn the emotional knife...;))

    If you go this option and they fail to respond - then, chin up, know you are far superior, don't get sucked down to their slimeball level, and get on with enjoying living there. Ie: DON'T let it 'eat' at you. Don't try and get revenge. Always be the better person (until you get a chance to stuff them...). Honestly, if you remain reasonable, it will make them feel uncomfortable. Honestly. If, however, you get bitter and tetchy and snappy back at them, they will retire happy that they've 'justified' to their sad minds why they didn't help you.


    If you chose to go with Phil, then you need to do it by the letter of the 'law' and get legal advice. There is a process to be followed, and there's a reasonable chance you'll win. Bear in mind if they start saying "We never agreed to nuffink", it'll almost be one word against another. But not quite.

    What will a judge decide? Who knows, but if the rest of your patio is in good order, then it will be pretty obvious to any impartial observer that you are owed it being put back properly. You bring the action, a date is set, you turn up - and they might not. If they don't, they lose. If they do, they'll have to explain to the judge why they are not reinstating your patio to the condition it was previously when you have been so generous to them. That'll be very hard for them to do.

    Check your household insurance - does it have legal protection? If yes, call them up - that's just what you need.
     
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  9. FatHands

    FatHands Well-Known Member

    Good call DA!
     
  10. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    sorry to disagree DA, but there is zero chance of winning when the agreement is simply verbal, because (not that it would ever get to Court) the decision would have to be based entirely on who was the least trustworthy party - our legal system is based on evidence and proof, not opinions

    if there is any written discussion of this agreement, even emails, notes of paper then perhaps there is a very small chance of winning - but the cost of pursuing such a case would be far in excess of the gain likely to be achieved
     
  11. Dazron

    Dazron New Member

    Thank you for all your replies. I'm not going to go down the legal route as we still have to live next to each other.
    It will just have to be a lesson learned and i'll have to find some replacement slabs or pay for a full patio myself.
    I can't wait for them to ask for a favour in the future :D
     
  12. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Verbal agreements can be legally binding, by law. The problem however comes when asked to provide evidence of any form of contract. It can become a case of "he said." she said, " . Would have been better (with hindsight) to have sent your neighbour an email at the time outlining the verbal agreement. (at least you'd have had some proof)
     
  13. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    Lets not be silly here, any sensible judge will see that I order to build the extension the patio had to be taken up to a certain extent, any sensible judge will also see that it is reasonable for it to be reinstated as it was, this clearly hasn't happened, so any sensible judge will award in favour of the OP..
    This isn't rocket science so lets not make it so.
     
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  14. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    it isn't quantum physics either, that's why such a non case would never come before a Judge - if the OP wants to spend £50,000 to win £500 that's another matter

    and no legal aid isn't available :rolleyes:
     
  15. Dazron

    Dazron New Member

    Thanks guys , I don't want this to turn into an argument. I wont be taking legal action.
     
  16. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    Sean what are you on about, small claims court, via money claim on line, you can do claims up to £100000.00 via them for a fixed fee, done it enough times with customers that try it on, never lost a case to date.
     
  17. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    fair play to you Phil, what did you use as your evidence ?
     
  18. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    In the last case, word of month, it was for extras that were done, they then didn't want to pay for them, there was no paperwork for the extras but there was for the original works, I took photos of the extras and the judge ruled that they had be done so had to be paid for.

    In the OP case, no paper work would be needed because it would be expected that any damage would be put right, it hasn't been, so the neighbour has no defence., regardless of it being in writing.
     
  19. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    so you had some documented evidence, and could probably easily illustrate an amount of money attributable to the extras- this makes all the difference

    in the OPs case all the defendant would need to do would be to argue that the patio was agreed not to be re-instated as it was being replaced anyway (or any other vaguely plausible reason) - if there's nothing to support the contention, such a claim will get rejected as it's simply one persons word against the others
     
  20. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Ahh they could let the builder explain exactly how he built the extension without access to their garden. ;);)
     

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