lowering joists on attic conversion

Discussion in 'Builders' Talk' started by yobwok, Feb 1, 2007.

  1. yobwok

    yobwok New Member

    I am about to convert the attic but need to lower joists to create headroom. when i remove the old joists there is nothing strapping the trusses together to stop spread. It is a mid terrace house and roof has to stay at the same hieght and pitch. How do i get around this problem.
     
  2. multi trade

    multi trade New Member

    Are you serious ?
     
  3. goldenboy

    goldenboy Super Member

    This sound perfectly reasonable. A very sensible idea. you dont really need joists at all. they are only decorative a bit like a bit dado rail. just cut them out. you'll be ok. Seriously mate if you really think that taking the joists out of your attic is a good idea you should be living in at least a detached house. your ceilings will collapse if you take them out
     
  4. multi trade

    multi trade New Member

    < least a detached house.

    Mid terrace bungalow :(
     
  5. goldenboy

    goldenboy Super Member

    maybe an igloo. hang on a second my neighbour was frantically tapping away on his keyboard a minute ago and hes now gone up in to the attic. i think i can hear a chainsaw starting up.......................
     
  6. nigel

    nigel Guest

    Cheaper to have your legs removed below the knee.
     
  7. joinerjohn

    joinerjohn New Member

    Better to have his legs amputated just below his head lol
     
  8. ­

    ­ New Member

    ha ha ! This is a wind up! Have you tried spelling his name backwards................

    lol :^O
     
  9. ProDave

    ProDave New Member

    Is this post a wind up?

    Seriously, if you are having a loft conversion and need to lower the joists, then you should get professionals in. You really can't be planning to do this yourself with so little knowledge.

    If you DO lower the joists, one solution might be to fit tie rods front to back within the new floor void to stop the walls spreading BEFORE you cut the old joists.

    Make sure in lowering the joists, you don't leave the existing first floor short on headroom. I can only think this solution of lowering the joists will work if you only need a tiny amount of extra headroom for the loft to work, and can tolerate loosing that amount of headroom from the floor below.

    It will make the loft conversion a lot more expensive.
     
  10. goldenboy

    goldenboy Super Member

    I too live in a mid-terrace and want to get a urban living feel to it can somebody give me a price for removing all the internal walls and floors and the external walls and roof. I have done a DIY course on saturdays at my local college and used to work in Wilkos putting paint out so I feel confident in my own abilities and just want to know how much i will be saving by tackling this minor work myself. I reckon two evenings and a weekend and itll be done
     
  11. diyhopeful

    diyhopeful Active Member

    goldenboy,

    You're not allowing anytime for decoration.
     
  12. Mad Print

    Mad Print New Member

    I like the sound of that goldenboy - in case I decide to do the same thing with my place could you tell me how you're planning to mount your radiators (I expect you're going to use microbore so the pipes will be less conspicuous).
     
  13. ­

    ­ New Member

    er..... won't you be rather 'on show' when on the toilet
     
  14. tp2104

    tp2104 New Member

    Have recently done this - engineer that did rsj calcs also specced plans with lateral restraint straps fixed to both rafters and wall plate, and welded to rsj. Also structural studs under existing purlins.

    Its possible, just not as easy as it sounds. Just be sure you know what your doing before you start removing joists.

    As a side note loft converison feels much bigger in comparison to a neighbours who placed new joists above existing ceiling joists.
     
  15. yobwok

    yobwok New Member

    Cheers TP. Some sense among all these "proffesionals"?. Only just got to look at the answers to my earlier post 1 feb 07, they all assume that I am that thick to cut joists out before adequetaely strapping rafters/trusses to the rsj and wallplate."the point in posting question is"?. Job was carried out with no problems. Steel brackets were bolted to the rafters and through rsj atached to a double joist. A steel bracket was placed both sides of the rafters at the ridge in an A shape trusses were laterally strapped to wall at each end and weight transferred from perlings down to new joists by way of structural stud. Golden boy, good luck with the urban igloo.
     
  16. Guest

    Most of us thought you might be a bit of a YOBWOK....................KOWBOY.
     
  17. yobwok

    yobwok New Member

    It seems this site is full of them. Anyway im off to finish my igloo by the side of the AGA in my open urban kichen on my stumps, it should last a few years there. I never miss a golden opportunity at diy.
     
  18. plummyplum

    plummyplum New Member

    Hi yobwok, do you have pics/drawings of what you did as I want to lower my ceiling for a loft conversation and want to work out how it's done, obviously I'll get structural engineers plans before doing anything.

    Thanks

    Matt.
     

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