Need advice please !!!

Discussion in 'Carpenters' Talk' started by Mr1992, Dec 19, 2013.

  1. Mr1992

    Mr1992 New Member

    I am a young Carpenter who is self employed working for a building firm in London. I am working on a refurbishment job doing all the carpentry work , the usual, door linings , skirting ( making them my self), stud walls , re cording sash window etc... I have been getting good feedback from the foreman about my work but I am on **** money. someone doing all this work what would be a ideal day rate??????

    thank you .
  2. tom.plum

    tom.plum Screwfix Select

    stick with it mate, use the time to build on your experience, NOBODY knows it all, you say you're on poor money well that's par the course for most now, builders won't pay top whack any more when there'e thousands of tradesmen hunting for work, so bide your time,wait for the upturn and then look for better earnings, **** money is better than dole money,
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  3. Mr1992

    Mr1992 New Member

    Well said... thank you for the advice. Merry christmas and a happy new year mate .
  4. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    of course the standard of all works carried out by those hard working non Brits is ''sh**e''

    ''shyters'' and folks who produce ''sh**e'' work don't earn the employers any money, they'll cost them money - that's why they won't last long and perhaps that's a hint as to why there's so many hard working overseas craftsmen being employed by British company's on a long term basis here
  5. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Nice to know you support British jobs for British workers there Sean. (I'm now wondering if you work for the government seeing as you have such faith in Brits)
  6. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    a fair days pay for a fair day work - doesn't matter who they are
  7. tom.plum

    tom.plum Screwfix Select

    who brought up the subject of ' non brits' here? as a post been deleted? home workforce should come first, then if it needs topping up, use the others then, the site supervisors controls the standard, each job is budgeted different, If you want top notch quality you have to pay more,that ' fair days pay' is a typical victorian view of the mill owner getting what he can for has little as possible,
  8. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    yes a post has been removed - perhaps JJ or a moderator removed it - the words I use within quotation marks are direct quotes

    the essence of the removed post was that all overseas workers were ''shyters'' and that the quality of their work was ''sh**e''

    more of an ill conceived UKIP policy statement than a post of any real content, perhaps that's' why it's been removed
  9. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    I removed the post Tomp, the jist of it being that if the OP was to offer his services for £120 a day, then some Eastern European, would come along and offer to work for half that (thus doing him out of a job) After the New Year, we also have the Roma's and Bulgars coming here, who'll then undercut the EE's. (they'll now end up on benefits, with the OP)
    Sean doesn't seem to have a problem with this situation though, but then in a later post mentions, "A fair days pay, for a fair days work" . Therefore it follows that Sean is quite happy for Brits to be undercut by Eastern Europeans, so quite how the fair days pay comes into it, I just don't know. How can we get a fair days, pay, when the average British tradesman is being undercut by the rest of Europe competing in the UK for work? The only ones making money out of this situation are the building companies (who'll still charge the same for their finished products, but save a fortune on the wage bill) I'm sure that you've given quotes, only to be beaten by someone (probably) less qualified than your good self and not of British origin. ;);)
  10. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    that's how a free price system works within our implementation of a market economy

    even if a nonsensical system which allowed only Brits to quote for works was implemented, supply and demand would see the results of a wide range of expectations for a fair days pay - that's why some quotes are cheaper than others

    expecting to drive your own income up by driving those able to do your job cheaper and more effectively out of the country is illogical within the type of economy we live within, would you prefer a more socialist form of market economy ?
  11. tom.plum

    tom.plum Screwfix Select

    thats a reply from a architect, EU's are not coming taking architect's jobs, if they was, you'd change that 'I'm all right' attitude, I say again, foreign workers should only supplement the workforce, not compete with it,
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  12. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Hear hear Tomp. I have nothing against labourers on site coming from abroad (just as long as they can communicate effectively in the English language) I do however, dislike the one's here who claim to be "carpenters, plumbers, electricians, plasterers, etc, then get jobs on site, with just the very basic, CSCS card (almost thrown at them by both this and previous governments) Some years ago I applied to several of the agencies, tasked with organising tradesmen/labour, for the Olympic site in East London. Every one of those agencies asked me if I was fluent in an Eastern European language. This seemed to be the first pre-requisite to actually getting set on. A crying shame that such a world showcase as the Olympics, in our own country, was built by cheap foreign labour, specially when Brown told us this would mean "British jobs for British workers."
  13. tom.plum

    tom.plum Screwfix Select

    I don't work for agencies any more, they are a bunch of blood suckin' leeches, anyrode a while back an agency rang me to see if I could do a couple of weeks for them, I agreed but then they asked for my quals, so I faxed them over, then they asked for my passport, " what for " I asked, " we have to know you're entitled to work here", So I said " you know me, I've done for work for you before", they replied, " we have to see your passport because we ask the EU's to see theirs and if we don't ask for yours also, its discriminating to them", so I said, stick it......:eek:
  14. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    I remember a similar fuss was being made around 2006 when someone calculated that nearly 500,000 Polish folks were working over here, the same moans and groans were being made about the standard of their work and how burdensome they were - yet now Polish tradesmen have an excellent reputation for working hard and producing quality work for a mutually agreeable price.

    I wonder how long it will take the most recently welcomed incomers to establish a similar reputation, after all, immigration has long been proven to be of a cultural and economic benefit to this country. If you don't believe me ask the Office for Budget Responsibility.

    Or should we only allow the non Brits to do labouring and all of those other hard,dirty job the Brits don't want to do ?
  15. tom.plum

    tom.plum Screwfix Select

    member a similar fuss was being made around 2006 when someone calculated that nearly 500,000 Polish folks were working over here, the same moans and groans were being made about the standard of their work and how burdensome they were - yet now Polish tradesmen have an excellent reputation for working hard and producing quality work for a mutually agreeable price.

    where's this place then sean?,,,Its nowhere near where I live, the jam rolls are still looked upon as shoddy work stealers with very unhappy customers chasing thier cash back,
    they undercut every body, then do a cowboy job or never finish the work and do a runner,
  16. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    it's in the real world Tom, perhaps even beyond that flat bit you've never dared venture past, where folks have an accent different yours and shock and horror, their skin might not be the same colour as yours

    I can provide directions to it if required
  17. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Sean,,, you should know by now,, If you are an architect, you just don't live in the " real world" You tend to live in a designed environment. Far removed from the real world.
  18. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    yes of course JJ, in much the same way as all Polish folks are ''shoddy work stealers '', and lets not forget that all non Brit EU incomers are benefit fraudsters, incapable of any work other than the menial labouring tasks
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  19. tom.plum

    tom.plum Screwfix Select

    I can provide directions to it if required

    yes sean please do, I always thought I lived in it, but do tell me where it is, o_O
  20. Sean_ork

    Sean_ork Screwfix Select

    just open your front door and step out into the fresh air, that's the real world, you might first need to take your blinkers off and engage your brain to actually appreciate and understand it

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