rcbo type b and c

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by spark113, Oct 3, 2008.

  1. spark113

    spark113 New Member

    In a domestic situation can an rcbo type c be used for a ringmain, shower, lighting ect. Obtaining a 0.4 disconnection time with both b and c, so does it really matter. Or am i talking b**locks and get back on the booze.
     
  2. BIG LEROY

    BIG LEROY New Member

    C can be used if Zs is within the parameters that ensure disconnections times are met.

    Now get back on da lash.

    Cheers :)
     
  3. Bandit12

    Bandit12 New Member

    get back on the drink i think
     
  4. spark113

    spark113 New Member

    thanks mate.
     
  5. Bandit12

    Bandit12 New Member

    cheers
     
  6. 50Hz Shuffle

    50Hz Shuffle New Member

    The new OSG Ch. 7 Final Circuits permits Type C for only TNCS with limits on total cable length. It then seems to contradict itself in App. 8 Standard Circuit Arrangments by stating that Table 8A is applicable for Type C with no mention of type of earthing...
     
  7. unphased

    unphased Screwfix Select

    50Hz, you need to keep in mind the simple fact that type C max permitted Zs is HALF that of a type B. So using a type C in circuits where anything other than PME earthing exists limits the length of the circuit. 0.35 ohms declared max for PME, but thats quite a chunk of impedance for a type C for starters. Thats probably why the OSG Ch 7 reference exists. But a check on the measured Zs will determine the final choice anyway. Type C breakers become more critical for loop impedance in the larger sizes, 20A upwards, smaller breakers will have more headroom.
     
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  8. wally2

    wally2 New Member

    Thats one problem with the starbreaker c/u at the moment, only type C RCBOs available
     
  9. unphased

    unphased Screwfix Select

    No mate :) Type B's now available. I purchased and fitted one yesterday. I commented on it to the wholesaler who confirmed Crabtree 6A RCBO type B's readily in supply now.
     
  10. 50Hz Shuffle

    50Hz Shuffle New Member

    UP, I understand the reasons why, but what I find hard to fathom is the conflicting info in the OSG. A bit more thought has obviously gone into Chap. 7 but not elsewhere :(
     
  11. wally2

    wally2 New Member

    Thanks for that unphased, must have happened in the past few weeks, will get some
     
  12. Lokkars Daisy

    Lokkars Daisy New Member

    I can't at the moment see why it matters whether they are c or b The criteria is disconnection times and surely the rcd is controlling the disconection times not the mcb ?
     
  13. propper spark

    propper spark Member

    Im glad you said that lokkars as I was just thinking the same, but dident want to say anything incase I was missing something. If it was a tt system then it would normally always be imposible to meet the mas zs permitted for the over current device and so an rcd would be used to meet the required disconnection times. So what difference does it make using a type B or c rcbo with a pme system.
     
  14. Lokkars Daisy

    Lokkars Daisy New Member

    And I'm glad you said that Propper, cause I wasn't sure if I was missing something either :^O
     
  15. propper spark

    propper spark Member

    Well can someone explain what difference it makes then?
     
  16. fabregas

    fabregas New Member

    I'm with Lokkers and propper spark on this.RCD element of RCBO provides earth fault protection so earth loop not such an issue. Line loop value becomes the governing factor to ensure enough fault current is generated to operate the overcurrent protection. Thats my understanding anyway flawed or otherwise.
     
  17. BIG LEROY

    BIG LEROY New Member

    Fabregas, why such the wealth of knowledge but low post count?

    Please share some of the water from your overflowing well of knowledge.

    :)

    p.s maybe your the sort who just prefers to watch with little manual involvement, you know, like voyeurism ;)
     
  18. fabregas

    fabregas New Member

    Big L I have to reserve my energy for my last minute equalizers
     
  19. BIG LEROY

    BIG LEROY New Member

    Ah, so everything about you is the real deal.

    I get it :)
     
  20. unphased

    unphased Screwfix Select

    Yes, type B and type C characteristics determine how the mcb behaves under load conditions as well as fault conditions. Type C and D withstand surges from high current loads for short drations, such as on start up from motors. However, the RCD element of the RCBO ensures fault protection from earth faults. I would have thought line faults would trip anything due to high urrent generated by fault of negligible impedence so type B, C or D in this instance really of no consequence. So I am open to explanation of why type B and C RCBOs matter in domestic situations. Perhaps they don't?
     

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