Rendering over existing external walss

Discussion in 'Builders' Talk' started by Chorley Cheese, Jun 7, 2017.

  1. Chorley Cheese

    Chorley Cheese New Member

    i have a 1980's house with some external walls consisting of bradstone concrete stones of random sizes. I want to render over this to end up with a smoothish finish. I believe that bradstone is difficult to render over using traditional scratch coatings,as it's difficult to get it to adhere to. Does anyone have experience covering over bradstone?
    Don't need external insulation as the cavity is already insulated.
     
  2. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Most plasters hate rendering over Bradstone,as you cannot be 100% certain of it bonding to the stonework.
     
  3. Chorley Cheese

    Chorley Cheese New Member

    Builder has recommended grinding away stones which are proud trying to create a straighter wall prior to render.
    Have read somewhere that removing some of the mortar between the stones allows for better adhesion?
     
  4. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    So much work grinding back the blocks, & raking out joints, still 100% adhesion is a certianity, how big is the area your thinking of rendering.
    Rendering mesh, has to be a Stainless Steel Wire Mesh over the Bradstone blocks might be an option, but it ain't going to be cheap to do the job with all the prep.

    Better to forget the idea I think.
     
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  5. Chorley Cheese

    Chorley Cheese New Member

     
  6. You could try scudding the wall a couple of times before the scratch coat.
     
  7. Chorley Cheese

    Chorley Cheese New Member

    Approx 80 sq. m. We want to remove some arches made of the bradstone which look dated.
    The house (which internally we love), looks dated on the outside, far to much bradstone on show.
     
  8. Chorley Cheese

    Chorley Cheese New Member

    Have never heard of scudding, is that grooving the bradstone to create a better gripping surface?
     
  9. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Cheaper to rebuild arches in block & render.
     
  10. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    It don't work.:oops:

    Even using a tyrolean machine.
     
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  11. Of course scudding works,have seen a few very good Plasterers doing it.
    On bradstone walls I do not know,but worth a try.
     
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  12. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    I know it works on blockwork, but not on Bradstone, I speak from experience on that.
    Ended up taking the bradstone walls down & rebuilding them in block, then rendered, was the lesser of two evils.
     
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  13. Chorley Cheese

    Chorley Cheese New Member

    Arches are being completely removed and replaced with wooden pillars
     
  14. Chorley Cheese

    Chorley Cheese New Member

    Cannot see us removing the bradstone, too big a job!
    Got to be a modern method that works?
     
  15. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Even bigger job grinding back the bradstone, attaching mesh & rendering.

    Can't think of any other method, than the two I've mentioned.
     
  16. WillyEckerslike

    WillyEckerslike Screwfix Select

    Something at the back of my mind tells me that altering the external appearance/character of a house to that extent requires planning permission. Can't remember where I heard that or whether it's still the case. Someone will know for definite though if only the local planning department.
     
  17. Chorley Cheese

    Chorley Cheese New Member

    Guess that's what we have to do then!
    This is our forever home, so over time you forget the worst bits...
     
  18. Chorley Cheese

    Chorley Cheese New Member

    I think you might be right, we have searched on line and cannot find a definitive answer
     
  19. Phil the Paver

    Phil the Paver Screwfix Select

    Would K-Rend be any good for this. ??
     
  20. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    It would be the pefect finish,but you still need a mesh on the wall for the K Rend to adhered to.
     

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