University education

Discussion in 'Just Talk' started by Harry Stottle, Aug 17, 2017.

  1. Harry Stottle

    Harry Stottle Screwfix Select

    It’s clear that there are far too many university places and UCAS is desperately trying to pull young people into clearing. I know that common sense is a rare commodity these days and education is an example where it is infrequently used.

    Encouraging student debt to fill oversupply of frothy courses is quite wrong, it discourages students from poorer backgrounds and others who may be brilliant and therefore clever enough to run the numbers to check viability of loans against future earnings, even discouraging applicants for proper courses such as medicine, science, engineering, business etc. The result is that the UK is going to be short of highly educated young people in future.
     
  2. Dr Bodgit

    Dr Bodgit Super Member

    Student debt is not so much a debt but a 9% tax on earnings above £21k for 30 years
     
  3. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    Education also involves reading dates, the posts are 5 years old1 :rolleyes:
     
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  4. dubsie

    dubsie Active Member

    Why we went for student loans I'll never know, the grant system was working perfectly well in my youth.

    Once again using tax payers money to fund banks to loan money to young people so they can get get an education. Nurses now need to borrow money to learn...and they wonder why Brits don't want to train in nursing..

    A recent audit clearly showed it is cheaper fur the tax payer to simply give students the money rather than fund tax payer backed loans.
     
  5. WilliamWright

    WilliamWright New Member

    I think that half of my groupmates had to take loans to be able to study, and the rest of the guys just used the financial help of their parents/or savings or got a scholarship. I mean, nowadays, education is very expensive, and for some people, even taking a loan is not the way out because it has to be paid off. I'm a third-year student, and I've always wanted to study, so I understood that taking a loan is my only option, and I don't regret it. Sometimes it's hard financially, but I do my best and take as much as possible from my studies. And I like what I study, and my uni in general, because I receive skills from different spheres. I also have different tasks, including writing, which is a challenge for me. The last week I struggled with writing on one issue, and only this source https://studydriver.com/driving-under-the-influence-essay/ helped me out because there provided drinking under the influence essay examples, which helped me to finish my writing. Otherwise, I would have missed the deadline. I want to say that if you pay so much for education but give up when you face problems and just do nothing, then it's not good. We have so many possibilities and resources, and its' possible to get help and save some time, which is great if you have a job.
     
  6. dubsie

    dubsie Active Member

    My opinion has always been that education should be free and that includes higher and further education and night school. Life long learning should be there for all. If a 40 year old wants to learn carpentry at night school I think there should be an opportunity for them at access it....maybe a contribution towards it but it should be accessible. The same applies to young people going to university, maybe a commitment by supplemental fees by it should be small enough not to discourage.

    We have a desperate need for skills and educated people and yet we are wasting the resources we have by neglecting young people and condemning them to low paid low skilled jobs.

    We need a long term plan that will stretch generations and not just a political term and one that had cross party support. We need to avoid the toxic popular policies that demonise groups of people.

    When I left school children from families on low incomes got grants, we had access to free further education and those in work got access to evening classes where they could get anything from o levels to computer studies. I live in a time where if you worked hard and strived there were routes into a better life. We didn't really pay a lot of tax but all this was there, there were subsidies for leisure, dentists were free, you could get to see your doctor and we even had free chiropody. So what has gone wrong? Why can't we pay for these things now....why are we getting people into debt and why are the banks making all this money with no risk.
     
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  7. rogerk101

    rogerk101 Screwfix Select

    It's all about priorities!

    The current government, as well as their Labour opposition, both prioritize paying to put illegal immigrants up in hotels 'indefinitely' with full board and lodging.
    They prioritize that over their own law abiding citizens who have to pay for the education and training that is required to keep the UK in the developed world.

    UK pensioners having worked productively throughout their lives have to choose between warmth and feeding themselves.

    The woke have taken over every decision-making aspect of this country, and if you're white and British these days, you are considered the problem, even though you're probably among the minority that is paying the taxes required for all this foolishness.
     
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  8. hi2u_uk

    hi2u_uk Member

     
  9. stevie22

    stevie22 Screwfix Select

    Well said Roger!!
     
  10. bright_Spark

    bright_Spark Screwfix Select

    Actually I fully agree with this. I work in a fully automated factory as a programmer and project engineer. Can you believe that I am only one of 3 english speaking people in the full factory? Our country will be soon an under developed country and our government have allowed this.
     
  11. The Happy Builder

    The Happy Builder Screwfix Select

    I thought it had been established that you are in Wales, so why would it be surprising there’s only three English speakers?

    Or was that the guy with a coal seam in his back garden ;)
     
  12. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    @The Happy Builder, he isn't in Wales, his packout isn't good enough to get over the border.

    I'm the one in Wales, and it isn't exactly a coal seam, but big pieces in the garden, enough for the BBQ in summer :D
     
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  13. bright_Spark

    bright_Spark Screwfix Select

    I arn't from Wales? Bazza Spark is from Wales. He has a coal seam in his garden and is currently exploiting migrant workers to fund his retirement.
     
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  14. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    Ha ha, I wish :D
     
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  15. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    In fact, to be fair, we would probably have to clear half of Wales and supply a police escort to get his packout in :D:D
     
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  16. The Happy Builder

    The Happy Builder Screwfix Select

    I know of factories where the common language of the night shift is Russian, but when I was a kid there were loads of Polish building tradesmen, which was over fifty years ago and long before the UK joined the EU.
     
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  17. bright_Spark

    bright_Spark Screwfix Select

    There isnt a common language in the one I work at, we have, Russians, Bulgarian, Polish, Romanian it makes communication very difficult. Very few speak any English so you really feel a bit out of it in your own country. Nothing against anyone as they are mostly pleasant but just impossible to understand what they are saying.
     
  18. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    We hosted a company that were installing a multi million pound solar farm. The security guy was Bulgarian and the stacker truck driver was Romanian. Neither spoke either English or the other guys language. It was great fun trying to communicate between us all.
     
  19. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    Still took less effort than some of the posts on here where the lanuage seems to be rubbish, and much more fun :eek:
     
  20. bright_Spark

    bright_Spark Screwfix Select

    Only thing I understand they are saying is when most of the females all whistle at me and my packout.
     

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