use a twin and earth as a three core

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by Brizzo, Apr 10, 2015.

  1. retiredsparks

    retiredsparks Super Member

    Good point UN, the cpc is surrounded by insulation but its not the same as the LN conductors which in effect have two layers .
    Under fault conditions the cpc will be in as onerous situation as the LN
    I am sure it might be changed on a whim in the near future.
    RS
     
  2. unphased

    unphased Screwfix Select

    Not only that, it would save a lot of faffing having to sleeve it; prevent DIY'ers not bothering to sleeve it and provide some basic protection should an idiot decide to use it as a live conductor. Flex and SWA has no bare copper inside it so quite why 6242Y has is odd. It can't be that difficult to include it in the manufacturing process surely?
     
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  3. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Same with 6243Y, something that has also mystifiy me for decades.
     
  4. seneca

    seneca Screwfix Select

    Me too!
     
  5. Lectrician

    Lectrician Screwfix Select

    Cores in SWA were never really designed for use as a CPC, the armour was. We have just adopted (sensibly) to use a core to supplement. That's why its Brown/Black/Grey and not Brown/Blue/GreenYellow (although if you want to pay the premium, it is available, as is 5 core).

    I think it is likely down to cost. It would make the cable that much wider and heavier too. It also makes it easy to strip, lol.
     
  6. seneca

    seneca Screwfix Select

    I'm surprised that this post ever got off the ground let alone create so much response, surely anyone with the slightest bit of electrical knowledge knows that an earth conductor should never be used as a live conductor. (except plumbers when installing room stats etc.!)
     
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  7. So we're all agreed then, give it a go. What's the worst that can happen?
     
  8. Welshdragon1

    Welshdragon1 Active Member

    A fire ??
     
  9. unphased

    unphased Screwfix Select

    Hmm. What's the worst that can happen. Hmm. Best not answer that one, eh Cliffy. ;)
     
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  10. unphased

    unphased Screwfix Select

    No, not a fire. Fire is breathed by dragons. No its not fire.
     
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  11. seneca

    seneca Screwfix Select

    The worst thing that could happen i'd say is that someone could get a belt from what they thought was an earth connection!
     
  12. Risteard

    Risteard Screwfix Select

    It would most certainly NOT be a grey area. The cpc in T&E is UNINSULATED. The sheath is mechanical protection and NOT insulation. The use of an uninsulated live conductor is generally prohibited (except through placing out of reach, with barriers and enclosures etc. but placing out of reach is absolutely not ever permitted in a domestic installation!
     
  13. stateit

    stateit Screwfix Select

    It will still pass a 1000v IR Test. So it's not that uninsulated. Just saying... not advocating using the CPC as a live conductor.
     
  14. PaulBlackpool

    PaulBlackpool Screwfix Select

    As a dreaded DIYer (who rewired his first house 40 years) ago it would never even occur to me to use "the earth wire" for anything other than that it was designed for.
    In a new house I bought 30 years ago there was a short in a porch light when first operated. The electrician said he would connect it up another way. I often wondered how he did it.
     
  15. Risteard

    Risteard Screwfix Select

    SWA doesn't have insuated armour (the cpc) so I'm not sure that your comparison is justified.
     

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