Very bad leak in system.

Not sure this should be posted in the Plumbers' forum, but here goes...

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...nt-memo-brexit-leaks-leaked-cabinet-secretary

 

My view is that I wish a coherent choice of strategy or stratagies had been in place before the referendum. Its currently very much a matter of making it up as they go along, tripping over the claims made at the time as they do.

I agree the remain claim wasnt as convincing as it should have been, but they didnt need to have an alternative strategy to go to.

The biggest claims, without any doubts, were immigration controls and the eu "costs" being pumped into the nhs. Doesnt like either of those will be achieved, so what actually was voted for?

 

I just think it's bludy funny, that's all.

 

Phil, don't make me laugh.

Or, please stop making me laugh.

 

They WANTED those papers seen? Really?

 

I'll either read the 'SUN" or listen to the BBC and see what I have to believe!

Are we being made fools of or what?

Get the real world news ? Where from? Al jezera ?

Nb. I don't read the sun, like most papers, full of personal opinions

.. I must stop making home made wine..

 

I am certainly not laughing at Hawkins, Phil. I am laughing (no, I'm not - I'm actually despairing) at the likes of you and you pitiful attempts to try and rescue some remaining credibility when none exists.

I have read Hawkin's article on Brexit and his concerns over the likely dire consequences for our planet.

So is the Express's take a true reflection of his words and opinions?

"STEPHEN HAWKING today blasted scheming Remoaner MPs who are trying to subvert the referendum result and keep Britain in the EU, telling them: “You’re making a terrible mistake.” No, he didn't 'blast' 'scheming remoaners'.

"The renowned physicist, who supported staying in the Brussels bloc, said politicians should not dismiss the Brexit vote by characterising leave backers as ‘thick’." Ooooh, I see how that comes across - nice one, Express. Find Hawkin's actual words in context, and compare them with the Express's take.

"And in a broadside at out of touch politicians like Lib Dem leader Tim Farron he accepted concerns over globalisation are “absolutely understandable”, even while admitting he is a member of the scorned liberal elite." Was that really a 'broadside' to the likes of Farron - or is the Express a bit pishedoff after the Richmond win?

"In a comment piece for The Guardian he said the world was entering the “most dangerous moment in the development of humanity” due to environmental concerns and the collapsing trust in political establishments across the globe." Yes, and Hawkins attributes this 'most dangerous moments' directly to Bexit and Trump and all the populist right-wing politicians. The Express managed an actual 100% distortion on that beaut.

"Citing the Brexit vote and the election of Donald Trump, the celebrated physicist said the ever growing chasm between the rich and the poor was fuelling populist sentiment." Again, see how the Express distorts this - as tho' Brexit and Trump were somehow valid responses - whereas his text shows that he fears the result from Brexit and Trump.

The Express is trying to convince its readers (tho' no convincing is needed, is there Phil?) that Hawkins sees Brexit and Trump et al as a reasonable answer to the inequality of globalisation.

etc etc etc

Phil you have no idea in how much contempt I hold your continued deceitful posturing on this issue. The Express, eh?

Davies, IDS, Fox, Redwood, Mogg - man, you sure can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep.

Yuck and double yuck.