Wallpapering onto Emulsion

Discussion in 'Painters' Talk' started by Dr Decorator, Jun 23, 2017.

  1. Dr Decorator

    Dr Decorator Active Member

    Client on a tight budget.

    Wall previously painted with Dulux Trade Matt and now wants wallpaper hung.

    I have always cross hung but he doesn't want to go down that route as it a cheapish paper.

    What can I put on wall prior to hanging paper?

    I was thinking 123
     
  2. Astramax

    Astramax Super Member

    123 is spot on target, done exactly that myself with no problem.
     
  3. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    Why put anything on emulsion before papering?
     
  4. Wayners

    Wayners Screwfix Select

    Just paste wall day before to seal. Paste paper and hang. I use garden sprayer to mist water on wall just before I hang paper, especially in summer as that helps.
     
  5. Astramax

    Astramax Super Member

    123 evens out the/any porosity, provides superior slip and paper adheres to it exceptionally well .
     
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  6. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select


    ..like emulsion? Or is it because of it being matt?
     
  7. Astramax

    Astramax Super Member

    I would apply it over any emulsion prior to paperhanging.
     
  8. fillyboy

    fillyboy Screwfix Select

    Being old school, I've only ever 'sized' a wall with diluted paste and with the price of Zinsser, there will be customers who baulk at the cost. I found this article quite interesting.

    https://traditionalpainter.com/sizing-walls-before-papering

    As an afterthought, has anyone ever tried acrylic primer as used for tiling.
     
  9. Wayners

    Wayners Screwfix Select

    If you seal wall and put vinyl paper over you will be in trouble. Will trap the water between layers
     
  10. Astramax

    Astramax Super Member

    So if he hangs vinyl paper over emulsion that contains vinyl such as Vinyl Matt, Vinyl Silk and Vinyl Soft Sheen............what then!
     
  11. Wayners

    Wayners Screwfix Select

    I use ready mixed paste over sealed surfaces as it contains less water. I would also run a sander over it so it will stick better. Would not do it in the winter either. Then fingers crossed and hope for the best. May take a week or more to dry out
     
  12. Astramax

    Astramax Super Member

    Zinsser Bullseye 123 has a breathable film though.
     
  13. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select


    But it can only breathe as deep as down to the previous finish!
     
  14. P J Thompson

    P J Thompson Active Member

    I can see this one getting ugly. :D
     
  15. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select


    Nah. I'm only trying to understand. As 'breathable' needs to be open to the air!
     
  16. Astramax

    Astramax Super Member

    Well best not to apply two coats then.
     
  17. Wayners

    Wayners Screwfix Select

    Back in 2008 if memory serves one cold January i papered a HLS with vinyl wallpaper. Was over silk emulsion. What a mess. Got called back around 10 days later as it had bubbled along hairline cracks that never showed before I started job. Old filler under the silk emulsion had blown to. You could peal the paper off as the paste was still wet. Now we have Internet forums ect, It's a really savoury. We can get good information and hopefully avoid the many pitfalls. I don't mind if folks have a different opinion to me. I would hate to think they got problems like I have had, which is why I comment. Cost me as I put the job right later that year. I lined that one with ready mixed paste and made sure it dried nicely, then papered over with ready mixed paste. Was stressful, costly and a nightmare. Sorted it in the end though. Night. I'm off to bed
     

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