Standard window sizes and brick courses

Discussion in 'Builders' Talk' started by Mark83, May 18, 2020.

  1. Mark83

    Mark83 New Member

    Hello all, Im DIY self building a side extension and installing a window on the front and french doors on the back both 1200mm. However Im a little confused as the brick course width with joint of 5.5 bricks is 1248 and 5 is 1135. A standard wickes window and french doors is 1190 assuming ill need 10mm each side, neither work?? So anyone have any ideas how this fits nicely? Am I missing something?

    https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Upv...ors-Inwards-Opening---1190-x-2090-mm/p/187557

    The height however (2090 including sill pack) fits within 28 brick courses (2110) with 10mm gap.
     
  2. Abrickie

    Abrickie Screwfix Select

    Single storey?
     
  3. Mark83

    Mark83 New Member

    Yes 8m x 2.5m single storey with lean style pitched roof with a small hip on the back of the extension
     
  4. Abrickie

    Abrickie Screwfix Select

    Damn, pitched and you could just have BoE over lintel, 2.5 wide ?
     
  5. Abrickie

    Abrickie Screwfix Select

    Right 11 bricks long, openings central gives you 2 3/4 bricks either side, or off set and 2.5 one side 3 the other, forget trying to work it out with a tape, everybody except the brick manufacturers knows what size a brick is lol. I just dry bonded it with an LBC ;)
     
  6. stevie22

    stevie22 Screwfix Select

    Is your overall size matched to brick format?? Chances are you will have to tweak the perps or use closers anyway.
     
  7. Abrickie

    Abrickie Screwfix Select

    When did you last get a brick that was brick sized ? Hope to god you didn’t lay it, be worth a fortune on eBay in a couple of years ;)
     
  8. Nev Hope

    Nev Hope Active Member

    Be prepared for your engineering bricks to be a totally different size to your facing, have a look at dpc level on new builds it’s hilarious :D
     
  9. Nev Hope

    Nev Hope Active Member

    Closers !! “ the only place for a closer is next not a quoin header” lol :)
     
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  10. David Hatim

    David Hatim Active Member

    It most certainly is
     
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  11. Abrickie

    Abrickie Screwfix Select

    So are you pair citing Nash or are you old enough to be quoting Hodge ?
     
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  12. Nev Hope

    Nev Hope Active Member

    Lol my Dad had the Hodge book :p
     
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  13. David Hatim

    David Hatim Active Member

    Don't know what Nash or Hodge is, but as an apprentice 30 years ago, we had to build all sorts of decorative solid wall projects at the local technical college, we were taught the rules of bonding, and a queen closer could only go next to a qouin header. So there! :D
     
  14. Abrickie

    Abrickie Screwfix Select

    All that decorative work and then years of one on top of two :(
     
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  15. Mark83

    Mark83 New Member

    So ive attached a plan of the ground floor proposed. I was planning to use cavity closers which may take a bit more of the gap but not 38 mm? so i guess ill have to do some jiggery pokery with the brick work? haha.
     

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  16. David Hatim

    David Hatim Active Member

    Yes you are right, raised panels, herring bone, Flemish garden wall bond, the list goes on. Did build an axed bullseye a couple of years ago, set the trammel up and everything :)
     
  17. Abrickie

    Abrickie Screwfix Select

    Ask a young brickie and he’d be reaching for a preformed centre, it’s sad :(
     
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  18. stevie22

    stevie22 Screwfix Select

    Think you're right Abrickie or perhaps a museum? My place has brick lengths varying by >20mm

    My point was that he is 99.99% certain to have to tweak his perps or cut bricks (whether called closers or some other esoteric bricklaying term) to build the other bits.
     
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  19. Abrickie

    Abrickie Screwfix Select

    In amongst the brickies remembering the days when bricks were bricks you may have missed the gems. It’s not as bad as looks with a tape, when you set out probably a difference between your engineering and facings, so live with the difference as seen on new builds or set out for your facing and work the engineers to them. Lay the first course out dry and tweak your joints to suit at this point, this applies to the elevation with the door as well, don’t just tweak for the door or you’ll be cursing at lintel height. Don’t alter the joints up the side of the openings tempting as it will be, you’ve got cuts no way around it, if the cuts alter slightly the eye will forgive but not so the joints. You will have a cut close to 3/4 which obviously means at half bond a cut of 1/4 on the next course, no it doesn’t that makes bricklayers cry, 3/4 up against the window, next course 1/2 against the window then a 3/4 and back to stretchers. :)
     
  20. Mark83

    Mark83 New Member

    Thanks for the reply abrickie, so as they’ve done in this picture of a window I have elsewhere?
     

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