DIYnot and Allowing Racist Posts.

Discussion in 'Just Talk' started by Bobby Dazzler, Sep 12, 2020.

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  1. Richard_

    Richard_ Screwfix Select

    Bobby, yes there is absolute dirge on that forum and some good stuff. What's that got to do with this forum?

    Are you trying to recreate the scene in Blazing Saddles where a fight breaks out in a bar and before you know it the whole town is brawling?

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  2. rogerk101

    rogerk101 Screwfix Select

    One day you'll get to see real racism in action, and you'll wonder how it was that you made such a storm in a teacup about a word ... a word which black people use all the time among themselves with ironic pride, and which probably offends more leftie whites than real blacks.

    I grew up surrounded by real racism ... the sort of stuff which really hurts, so when I see someone making such a big deal about something so relatively small, it would be laughable if it wasn't so sad ... sadly misdirected.
     
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  3. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    As I said before, I am denied the opportunity to criticise such behaviour on DIYnot. My criticism of certain protected members is deleted.
    I've also noticed that ReganAndCarter has been a member of that forum for about 10 years, and his racism goes well back, with multiple incidences of such racist posts.
     
  4. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    I don't think you properly understand racism, despite your claim to do so, and your claim to have grown up with it.
    The following comment alone, by you, indicates that either you grossly misunderstand the reason for racism, or you intentionally present a false argument to excuse racism.
    Racism is not human nature. No-one is born a racist. Racism is taught by our parents and peers.
    If you honestly believe it is human nature, then you were taught it from such an early age, that you now believe it is human nature.
     
  5. Jord86

    Jord86 Screwfix Select


    Unless you can 'black cat' (a happy coincidencental pun, but I'll take it) Rogers account of growing up in South Africa with your own life experiences I doubt very much you can hold a candle to what he could share, so to even insinuate, cast aspersions and argue the toss marks you out as very foolish, and argumentative for the sake of it.

    When is your ban on DIYNOT up?
     
  6. longboat

    longboat Screwfix Select

    After checking your link to supposed racism I cannot see any.
    But hey, if floats your boat, do what ya likey.
     
  7. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    Let me draw an analogy for you:
    Suppose you went to the doctor, suspecting that you had chickenpox.
    And the doctor assured you, and not in a particularly eloquent manner, that he had extensive experience, growing up in a medical aware environment and the real cutting edge of medical science, then he tells you it can't be chickenpox because chickenpox is not infectious! He goes onto say that he's seen real chickenpox, and what you have is not it!
    How long would you bother to wait for any further diagnosis on any subject from that doctor.
    I'm sure you'll agree with me, that when someone professes to be fully aware of racism, having grown up in its environment, then they make a statement that indicates that they grossly, and fundamentally misunderstand the reasons for racism, that their credibility, on this issue, has taken a severe battering.

    That is the situation with rogerk101, he claims to have experienced real racism, having grown up with it, and claims to understand it. But he then makes the statement, quoted below, that indicates that he grossly and fundamentally misunderstand the reasons for racism:
    "The best we can do is accept that it's human nature and just deal with it in a dignified manner."

    Racism is not a human nature. Racists are not born, they are made. There is nothing natural about racism. It is a taught response, taught by parents and peers, from such a young age that people are not aware that they've been taught to be racist.

    Now if you wish to defend his total and utter misunderstanding of racism, instead of launching into a tirade, at least posit some hypothesis, theory or experiments to justify your defense of rogerk101's misapprehension, and we can look at them together. Tirades don't suffice as an acceptable defence of mistakes, and certainly not one as offensive as excusing racism as human nature, so we just accept it.
     
  8. Hans_25

    Hans_25 Screwfix Select

    That's not totally true. There is an innate sense of in-group / out-group response in all of us.
     
  9. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    An obvious reference to the offensive word used by ReganAndCarter on DIYnot.
    You clearly know which word is offensive. It isn't the first time ReganAndCarter has used that term. On each occasion, he is also aware that the auto-censor would not allow the correct spelling, so he intentionally avoids the auto-censor. He has also used other offensive racist terms.
    Yet DIYnot allows him to continue with his racist comments, and moreover, protects him from criticism by deleting critical posts.

    Now if you consider that categorising a whole ethnic group as 'bare knuckle fighters', and 'fly-tippers' is not racist, I suggest you sign yourself up to a racial awareness session, because you are completely unaware of what racism is.
     
  10. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    And you believe that tribalism is not a taught response?
     
  11. Hans_25

    Hans_25 Screwfix Select

    Its an evolved response.
     
  12. just pumps

    just pumps Screwfix Select

    When is your ban on the other forum up and you can go back?
     
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  13. Zed1001

    Zed1001 Member

    Flippin heck, you've set him off again.
     
  14. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    Sorry, but I vehemently disagree.
    Humans have evolved into a social animal, not as a natural antagonistic tribal member. Tribalism is taught (or bullied, coerced, etc) into other members of the group.
    If we are not taught, and accept, to comply with the dominant culture, bullying and coercion becomes the method to induce compliance with that dominant culture.
    Take for example the institutionalised racism in the Met Police,if some officers refuse to accept the dominant culture of racism, their lives are made hell until they do comply, or they leave.
    Excuses such as religion, politics, economics, ethnicity, etc are exploited to induce a sense of them and us.
    Look at the current political propaganda games going on with the current UK government, blaming the UK's ills of housing, economics, NHS, etc on immigrants, and blaming the lack of a trade deal with EU on the EU negotiators. It's a blame game intended to induce tribalism. Trump manipulates his supporters in exactly the same way. There are other well known examples throughout history, where some sections of society have been pilloried, inducing tribalism in the dominant group.

    We make society and society makes us. If that society is tribal, we are socialised into that tribal mentality.
     
  15. Hans_25

    Hans_25 Screwfix Select

    Look up Novelty Aversion.

    You sound like a Post-Modernist, everything for you is a social construct.
     
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  16. Zed1001

    Zed1001 Member

    Your time would be better spent helping out in your community doing something positive, rather than trying to pick a fight on here.
    As somebody already mentioned, the way you present your argument is more divisive, and counterproductive to the cause you campaign for.
    Get out and mingle with a real spectrum of people, stop preaching, and do something constructive to help rather than judge.
     
  17. WillyEckerslike

    WillyEckerslike Screwfix Select

    Still banging on about something a member of a completely different forum (and not a member on here to the best of my knowledge) didn't actually say is frankly boring now. We're not going to solve it for you so report it to the police and move on.
    I'm sad to say that you're doing the cause a disservice and turning people who might be interested away. I don't condone racism but your approach just makes me want to switch off. I'll continue to do my bit confident in the knowledge that I've already made a positive difference without posting all about it on any forum I come across.
    Good day to you.
     
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  18. spannerw

    spannerw Screwfix Select

    Here here Willy!!:)
     
  19. dinkydo

    dinkydo Screwfix Select



    Seeing as this seems to be your mission statement Which I may add is admirable, and you have identified and named a public forum and a member of that forum of racial comments which constitutes an hate crime why are you not contacting the police ? But rather think it proper and correct to discuss the issue on another public forum
     
  20. unphased

    unphased Screwfix Select

    That is not a racist word anyway. Its a colloquial term, or a slang term, which is pejorative and considered by many to be a slur. It is used mainly in the UK to refer to people who are of the Irish Traveller community, an ethnic group originating in Ireland and also found in Great Britain. I pity people who seek to burden us with their beliefs about what is construed as racist.
     
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