shower and electrics in dog grooming room

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by sams, Oct 15, 2018.

  1. sams

    sams Member

    oK a difficult one .

    customer wants to convert a garden shed into a dog grooming room.

    Requirements are electric shower over a purpose made dog shower bath/tub. and electric sockets for grooming tools etc.

    My question is dose this installation fall under section section 701 rooms containing a bath or shower ?
     
  2. terrymac

    terrymac Screwfix Select

    Any room that contains a shower is subject to the same regs ,the fact that dogs are gonna use it is irrelevant
     
  3. Coloumb

    Coloumb Screwfix Select

    As above, I would think so yes. As it's also likely to include extraneous parts you will also need to get the earthing right.
     
  4. Comlec

    Comlec Screwfix Select

    I would say yes. Dogs are livestock.
     
  5. MGW

    MGW Screwfix Select

    If you go into a ladies hair dresser they have spray heads over the special sinks, and some kitchens have pull out spray heads, so what you are looking at is how is the bit that holds the dog described, is it a shower basin or is it a sink, some times we need to use common sense rather than trying to follow regulations by the letter.

    In Turkey they often have a wet room, you have a tap and bowl and a jug you take water and put it on your body, there is no shower head, so under British regulations you could have a socket in the room, however that would be daft, so question is if it is really a shower, or simply a spray head.

    Since a dog is likely to shake it's self and spread water everywhere the only real safe method of heating air to dry with is with a fixed unit with pipes delivering hot air. So something like this [​IMG] but you have to consider what is reasonable.
     
  6. sams

    sams Member

    i contacted the NICEIC technical helpline for any onr interested for future reference there reply was as follows

    Section 132 describes the design considerations required by BS 7671 for the protection of persons, livestock and property in accordance with Sections 131, and the proper functioning of the electrical installation. Dogs are not considered to be livestock, and, therefore, the applicable requirements of BS 7671 in this instance need only be applied for persons.

    Section 701 supplements or modifies the general requirements of BS 7671. Whilst it is not mentioned within Section 701, the purpose of this section is to protect persons who are bathing and/or for hygiene purposes. Therefore, section 701 does not apply to the situation where only dogs are being washed prior to grooming (they are not livestock). Similarly, Section 701 does not apply in this particular instance in that the person(s) doing the washing are not themselves taking a bath or having a shower and, therefore, their body(s) do not have the same reduction in resistance.

    However, the designer of the electrical installation will still have to consider the additional risks associated with the proximity of water to the electrical installation and the proximity of animal(s). For example, he/she will have to take due account of Regulation 132.5 (Environmental conditions), 132.7 (Type of wiring and method of installation), Regulation 132.9 (Emergency control) and the like.

    It may be wise, therefore for a designer to consider, amongst other things, to having some means of emergency stop to cut the supply to socket-outlets, RCD protection of all socket-outlets, notices to highlight the risk, and appropriate IP ratings of socket-outlets.

    We trust this answers your questions.
     
  7. Coloumb

    Coloumb Screwfix Select

    Sounds reasonable to me. You might also consider designing it in such a way so as to make any idiot human trying to use it as a shower as difficult as possible, short lengths of shower hose that go no higher than a dog or some such things.
     

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