right UP: i think you are WRONG to walk off site things may seem bad at the moment BUT everyone here would help you if they can, Things will get better you just need to go back on monday and test it abit more thoroughly also the extra time would be chargable especially if its something that the owner had fecked up. Wether it a borrowed neutral or a shorted cable somewhere you really do need to try and return next week to rectify these faults. Like i say if you need a hand i emailed you my number from my private email address which you should have received. if i can be of any assisstance then id be happy to help U.P. Regards Colin
Hi Colin Yes mate. Got your email and have responded. I am working on it. Just drafting a letter. THANKS TO EVERBODY FOR THEIR SUPPORT. Feel better already. But what a mess I've created for myself! UP
It was a Crabtree 5+5 split loader. Do you remove the RCD and Main switch from the enclosure when fixing to the wall?
It was a Crabtree 5+5 split loader. Do you remove the RCD and Main switch from the enclosure when fixing to the wall?
It was a Crabtree 5+5 split loader. Do you remove the RCD and Main switch from the enclosure when fixing to the wall? No, mate. I do with Wylexes but no need for Crabtrees. UP
My mate fitted a wylex board but didn't remove the guts when fixing, or so he told me. He had the same fault as you but couldn't figure it out, all tests checked out ok. I went to look and the neutral wires, factory fitted, where crossed. The neutral out on the RCD came from the un-protected side's neutral block :O
when i was apprentice spark said to me there will be a point in ur career where you brakdown with ur head in ur hands and cry!!! sparkins like joining the foreign legion. it slowly chips away at you and then completley breaks you down only to build u up so that ur stronger than b4. days like unphaseds are good for character building
when i was apprentice spark said to me there will be a point in ur career where you brakdown with ur head in ur hands and cry!!!
I can't understand why the rcd fails the push button test, this should work without anything connected to the output side? I suppose you have checked for correct polarity of the tails? It's got to be something really silly! Me neither seneca. I DID check for polarity of the tails. I still don't know why, for example, the RCD (in fact two RCD's that I tried) wouldn't trip when the push button was pressed but would still trip when the ring circuit was connected. Anyway...I need toput this behinfd me now...its really fecked me up. Not feeling very good about any of it... i have the exact thing happen myself yesterday myself.This was a flat i had rewired which in singles in the existing conduit.I found out after the RCD would not trip with its own test button and i could not get a ZE reading was that the main incomming earth was via the conduit. Put in a new 16mm earth from the cutout and everything was hunky doory
I can't understand why the rcd fails the push button test, this should work without anything connected to the output side? I suppose you have checked for correct polarity of the tails? It's got to be something really silly! Me neither seneca. I DID check for polarity of the tails. I still don't know why, for example, the RCD (in fact two RCD's that I tried) wouldn't trip when the push button was pressed but would still trip when the ring circuit was connected. Anyway...I need toput this behinfd me now...its really fecked me up. Not feeling very good about any of it... i have the exact thing happen myself yesterday myself.This was a flat i had rewired which in singles in the existing conduit.I found out after the RCD D would not trip with its own test button and i could not get a ZE reading was that the main incomming earth was via the conduit. Put in a new 16mm earth from the cutout and everything was hunky doory Earthing has nothing to do with testing the RCD via the test button. The test button creates an imbalance without using the earth path. Sorry fooman not trying to be pedantic but UP needs all the help he can get. The only way that the RCD test button will not work (assuming that the RCD isn't faulty) is if the supply side to the RCD is not connected to Phase and Neutral i.e. if the supply neutral was connected to the wrong neutral bar i.e. the outgoing RCD protected neutral as one example. In other words you can disconnect the load side of the RCD (not all circuits just at the RCD) and fix the RCD not tripping with test button fault (make sure all MCB's are off on non RCD side (just in case someone borrowed a live etc) first then move on with testing rest of circuit if as you say UP the ring tests fine then chances are everything will be fine.
One last thing Roy - NONE of us are "having a laugh on you". Let us know when you have got it sorted and PAID for the work and if you want us all to turn up on site we will (just hope the client can make 30 mugs of tea and bacon sarnies).
It's very nice to see all you Sparks sticking together in times of need, this would never happen on the plumbers forum...
What can I say...such fantastic support. I have delivered the letter and await response from the customer. I just hope that I have not done too much damage to my reputation and he will see that my intentions are honourable when I calm down and get my head together. With all the advice in this thread I am certain I could resolve the fault...its aquestion now of whether he will allow me...I will update in due course. All the best to everyone for helping me...I never expected so much response but it just goes to show how many fantastic people there are out there. UP