No nail or grip fill?

Discussion in 'Builders' Talk' started by Major Mal Funxion, Jun 27, 2008.

  1. Major Mal Funxion

    Major Mal Funxion New Member

    Question peeps

    What's best for fixing a few noggins into the web of a steel? Nonail or gripfill?
     
  2. handcraft

    handcraft New Member

    a spit gun actually

    lee
     
  3. devil's advocate

    devil's advocate New Member

    SSCCCCHHHHHWWWWEEEEEEE-THOO.

    A good-brand, solvent-based adhesive will bond well, but bear in mind that nailing plasterboard onto the noggins will be quite a shock.

    Make the noggins fit really tightly, and perhaps pack them out behind to prevent movement?

    (All info dispensed in good faith, but from a non-builder...)
     
  4. ivor bigun

    ivor bigun New Member

    Like has been said, a Spit gun.

    If you don't have one of those then use Tec Screws

    DA

    Just post about what you know about will ya?

    Why would a non-builder be offering advice to the trades?

    I don't come to your house and tell you how to do the housework, do I?
     
  5. ivor bigun

    ivor bigun New Member

    By the way, who the heck NAILS plasterboards on these days?
     
  6. chip off the block

    chip off the block New Member

    i dot n dab em out with the scraps that are left over. or screw a length of timber in with tek screws
     
  7. Major Mal Funxion

    Major Mal Funxion New Member

    Do the tek screws drill straight into...say, an 8mm thick web or would you need pilots?
     
  8. Major Mal Funxion

    Major Mal Funxion New Member

    BTW

    I was planning on screwing me plasterboard to the noggings, and it's not that i don't know..it's that i don't want to know, as with any thing i have to do for me self. You know? busmans holiday and all that.
     
  9. devil's advocate

    devil's advocate New Member

    Can't help it, Ivor - got sooo much to give.
     
  10. blueassedfly!

    blueassedfly! New Member

    HUGH i did 36 noggins in 3 steels on my place and fixed em with GRIPFILL MAX (black tube) comes out more like a silicone than gripfill which means you can cut your noggins tighter it does take longer to go off but does stick like S*&T to them so i would recommend that. :)
    cheaper than buying a spitgun LOL
     
  11. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    dont use any type of glue for this type of work, you must have a mechanical fixing

    as suggested tec screws or a (powder actuated)nail gun spit and hilti are the best known and can be hired

    DO NOT forget to wear safety goggles with these guns
     
  12. mof

    mof Member

    We used to just cut the nogging tight and hammer them in, you will find if done right you will have a hard job getting them out again.
     
  13. strappy

    strappy New Member

    I had to do the same at home,I didnt have a hilti so i just drilled and tapped the steel and fixed the batten to it with m6 bolts
     
  14. Major Mal Funxion

    Major Mal Funxion New Member

    Thanks CK nice one,

    That's what i wanted to hear
     
  15. blueassedfly!

    blueassedfly! New Member

    "dont use any type of glue for this type of work, you must have a mechanical fixing"

    DD surley it cant hurt if your only cladding round the steels and not using the noggins to pick up anything structual? :)
     
  16. Major Mal Funxion

    Major Mal Funxion New Member

    In the past when ever iv'e been on a job where there is a need to clad the steel with plasterboard , the chippies usually just cut tight fitting noggings and hammer them in, and as CK says, it's not carrying any wait. I think a good fixing paste and wedged in timbers should do the job.
     
  17. murrmac

    murrmac Member

    cut them tight, hammer them home, job done.

    why you would use a spit gun for this is beyond me.

    and using any form of adhesive is a waste of time and money as well imo

    one thing you have to watch when cutting a batch on the mitre saw is that the distance between the flanges is often not the same on both sides, maybe only a matter of 1 mm, but enough to make the difference between a tight and a loose fit.
     
  18. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    so................ because each dimension might be 1mm different

    you spend your time cutting lots and lots of small lengths of timber

    each one being different, so its a one at a time job

    and its high up so you are up and down a ladder / scaffolding all day

    i cant think of a slower method





    fitting noggins to steel beams doesnt have to be a work of art, this method altough "traditional" is a waste of time

    hire the gun (with virtually no cutting) AND clad the beams by the end of the day AND with enough time to leave early enough to return the gun

    or spend one day fitting the noggins and a second day cladding them


    your choice
     
  19. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    as for drilling and tapping holes

    the job just doesnt warrant it, its another slow method
     
  20. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    drilling and tapping a hole (VERY fast) one minute


    spit gun................. 3 seconds (slow)

    AND you dont have to mark measure and drill the timber


    so thats 3 seconds as opposed to 1.5 minutes per fixing


    PLUS virtually no timber cutting

    PLUS fewer up and down ladders


    you are saving over 3 minuites per fixing
     

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