16amp Socket in Garage

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by kirkdx, Jan 21, 2021.

  1. The Happy Builder

    The Happy Builder Screwfix Select

    Give me strength, I’m losing the will.

    Clock sockets have retaining screws, you cannot pull them out without using a screwdriver to undo the retaining screw.
    To be precise 553.1.5 actually states a socket outlet NOT COMPLYING with BS EN 60309-2, so it doesn’t actually give the go ahead to install a blue industrial plug socket without shutters.

    The correct answer is to hardwire the saw bench.
     
  2. BiancoTheGiraffe

    BiancoTheGiraffe Screwfix Select

    What's wrong with a 13A-16A adaptor?
     
  3. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    Please, feel free to lose the will.

    Table 55.1 last line as you have been told.
     
  4. Bazza-spark

    Bazza-spark Screwfix Select

    As @BiancoTheGiraffe has pointed out, there is a big plastic shutter over the socket with a strong spring.
     
  5. Coloumb

    Coloumb Screwfix Select

    Household definition from...

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...esandhouseholdsstatisticsexplained/2019-08-07

    A "household" is:

    (current definition, from 2011): one person living alone, or a group of people (not necessarily related) living at the same address who share cooking facilities and share a living room, sitting room or dining area. A household can consist of a single family, more than one family or no families in the case of a group of unrelated people.

    Nothing about outside, or garages, or out buildings, or summer houses or sheds etc what have you as technically you wouldn't "live" in one of them.

    553.1.201 Every socket-outlet for household and similar use shall be of the shuttered type and, for an AC installation, shall preferably be of a type complying with BS 1363.

    Household and similar - ie inside the dwelling, not outside it. It's so inside the house where he lives little Johnny doesn't go shoving his fingers where he shouldn't and hey, if you let little Johnny into your garage unsupervised then that's just bad parenting.

    So, Household, inside the house = shutter sockets, outside the house = commando sockets if you want to. That is what the reg says. If you think house hold includes the garage then why?

    You're over-thinking the whole thing.
     
  6. BiancoTheGiraffe

    BiancoTheGiraffe Screwfix Select

    Last edited: Jan 26, 2021
  7. Coloumb

    Coloumb Screwfix Select

  8. Nomenklatura

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  9. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

    They are to plug into supplies at caravan sites and then allow things with BS1363 plugs to be used.
     
  10. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

    It's the garage of a house, so of course it is "household or similar".
     
  11. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

    Do you actually know what the word "household" means?
     
  12. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

    Household is people.

    If they live in the house where the garage is then they count as the household wrt use of the sockets there.
     
  13. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

    No, we can't do that - "shall" has a specific and defined meaning when used in standards.

    You either agree with that meaning or you differ and are wrong.
     
  14. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

    You are ignoring the fact that the Wiring Regulations have to cover all sorts of installations, not just domestic.

    There is no conflict between having regulations which impose requirements for all sorts of sockets and other regulations which restrict which sockets may be used in particular circumstances.

    You may no more use the existence of 553.1.5 to say that 553.1.201 doesn't apply than you may use it to say that 701.512.3 may be ignored.
     
  15. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

    He has provided the detail that confirms that not all sockets have to have shutters in order to be used in BS 7671 conformant installations. But that does not mean that any and all of the sockets may be used in any and all locations.
     
  16. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

    They are wrong. Unless there can be sockets in the garden of a house which are not for household use.
     
  17. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

    That last line says that for installations conforming to BS 7671, BS EN 60309-2 plugs and sockets may be used. It does not mean that they may be used in all locations and for all purposes.

    You don't, I'm sure, believe that the first line means that BS1363 sockets may be installed in Zones 0,1,2 etc of a location containing a bath or shower, i.e. in contravention of 701.512.3, so why do you believe that the last line means that BS EN 60309-2 sockets may be installed in contravention of 553.1.201?
     
  18. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

    Unbelievable.

    You quote the definition of household and then immediately proceed to ignore it.

    Instead of using the word "household" in 553.1.201, replace it with what it means.

    553.1.201 Every socket-outlet for [one person living alone, or a group of people (not necessarily related) living at the same address who share cooking facilities and share a living room, sitting room or dining area] and similar use shall be of the shuttered type and, for an AC
    installation, shall preferably be of a type complying with BS 1363.
     
  19. Nomenklatura

    Nomenklatura Active Member

    So who uses the sockets in your outside, garage, outbuildings/summerhouse/shed/etc if not members of your household?

    For whose use are they installed?
     
  20. Coloumb

    Coloumb Screwfix Select

    o_O
    on the one hand we have elecsa...

    ELECSA provides inspection, assessment and certification services to contractors working across the building services sectors.

    on the other we have Nomenklatura, who has 15 posts and registered yesterday...

    mmmmmmm...o_O
     
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