A word of warning to all kitchen fitters

the opposite of what you think ?


What an excellent answer. Really shows you up. Basically I've nailed you and your iKKBi heads to the coffee table with that point about the work not being inspected, and that's all you can come up with as an answer? Excellent. I really do think you have proved my point for me. If this was a public court the jury would be sniggering at you, even the judge would be having difficulty keeping a straight face.
 
You are so cool aren't you and so right all the time I really wish I was you, oh my god how well you have done in responding and developing the interest, thanks !
 
Not so cool, maybe, but cooler than you! You really are showing yourself up really badly with your silly one-line responses.

Don't you realise that every time you post on this thread it means I can reply and show you and your iKKBi up again?

What you better do is, first thing tomorrow morning, when whoever is in charge of iKKBi gets back from Spain or wherever, is ring him up and ask him how to deal with this akward situation, explain how you have been caught spamming and have been unable to think up a suitable response to the obvious fact that the owners of the iKKBi do not inspect the work of prospective members, and that the ONLY qualification needed to join is £150 plus VAT.

Then I expect he will ask you which forums you have been spamming and when you tell him, he will have a look for himself and then you will have to explain why you were unable to come up with more than a handful of irrelevant words in reply.

Now, are you going to stay down this time?
 
Why say more, when it can be said in less. Biting are you ? Obviously are and have an active interest, dont work for them but seeing you are so keen to find out more you ring them and ask, your anti spamming is working !!
 
working !!


Still no reply then. Just to repeat, then it really will be time for me to go to bed (but I'll be back tomorrow) that you still haven't answered my point about the lack of qualifications need to join (apart from £149 plus VAT, yes, I've been checking your website!)

Not only are you a spammer, but you are a stupid spammer. You've been caught, just like a kid with his arm in the cookie jar up to the elbow, and still you won't STFU.

To add to what my learned colleague has said, any one who is interested in this iKKBi outfit should just google them, lots of good stuff there.

You are going to have some explaining to do when your boss reads this. I think I might send him a link!
 
I love it really love it Kitchenhero, have you got a cape as well and can fly ? Off to bed then and dont forget to take your prozac ! paranoid or what ! bit early for bed time though, oh sorry i forgot its school tomorrow isnt it !
 
You really have gone to bed haven't you ! So you STFU first. If I really worked for them do you think I would be replying in this manner ? You really are a bit naive aren't you. You just get on with your super life and I will get on with mine. You have your opinion and I have mine. So leave it be now or set up your own institute if you know better !!!! I might join it as you seem to have so many feelings about it and how it should be run.
Kitcheneer lets be friends not enemies, I am a fitter just like you :) I just am trying something different to try to get an edge and it is working ok thanks, is that alright with you ?
 
I just posted this on the other thread , I think its worth posting here aswell.

Cordless wrote;
"NIC99, its not fraud to offer work at a cost, you have been told upfront that if you want this work then you will have a fee to pay, and a CLUB to join! surely it can only be fraud if your not aware that you have been CHARGED, to be able to do the work?
Also it is not fraudulant to sit as a consultant on a company, and try to generate income for that business. As D thomas has not HIDDEN the fact he runs a company and consults with an associated business, i think FRAUD is a shot in the WRONG direction "


I disagree cordless,I think there is NO CONTRACT/WORK .

They have set up a fake company offering work once you have joined ikbbi.
I for one have never heard of a business consultants trying to obtain money by deception. Have you any examples of this practice so you can enlighten me???

Mr Thomas HAS tried to hide the fact that he runs RIS and is associated with Ikbbi, hes just not done a very good job !

I would love to be proved wrong but I think I will be waiting a very long time!!.

Im open minded about a organization for kitchen fitters but when they operate these sort of tricks, there not the sort of people you would want to be associated with im afraid.
 
And heres my reply

NIC i sit on the fence on this, I dont agree that as a trade, Fitters shouldnt be regulated, ALL TRADES SHOULD BE thats how you remove the cowboys by getting EVERYONE government regulated.
just remember when youre being screwed by a shed or major retailer its because they KNOW they CAN.
However IF DT and others at ikkbi are just trying to get your money then theyre BANG OUT OF ORDER, and if its fraudulant then im sure the authorities will deal with them! BUT a word of warning and it is WHAT if theyre genuine and its the likes of yourself who suffer! its a double edged sword! im sure YEARS ago the gas fitters where having the same debates(but not online).

Finally just because YOU THINK somthing, doesnt make it true!
 
"You really have gone to bed haven't you ! So you STFU first. If I really worked for them do you think I would be replying in this manner ? You really are a bit naive aren't you. "

No, it's not me that's naive, quite the opposite in fact. I've seen through your blustering insistence that you are not a spammer, and the reason why I have seen though it is because you ARE a spammer. You have been consistently spamming this forum with pro iKKBi posts. That is SPAM.

"Kitcheneer lets be friends not enemies, I am a fitter just like you I just am trying something different to try to get an edge and it is working ok thanks, is that alright with you ? "

You doing whatever you want in your private or working life is fine by me. What is NOT fine by me is you coming onto public forums claiming that you are doing well by having joined this ridiculous organisation.

Why do I call it ridiculous? Well, it's simple, and I will repeat it because so far you have not attempted to answer it. The iKKBi claims to be an organistion of professional kitchen fitters, in effect a standards institute for kitchen fitting. The problem is that there is no bar to entry. As long as anyone can cobble together three customer references, some insurance and £149 + VAT, they're in! Where is the protection for customers in that? Yes, I know it says on the website that members may have their work inspected, but for £149 + VAT? That's going to pay for an inspection and pay for all the other services that they are supposed to be offering? 'Course it isn't. It's a SCAM!
 
hi there,

I have received this letter from retail installation service and i think that some of you may have got the wrong end of the stick. If you read the letter, it says that you must be a member of EITHER IKBBI or TRUSTMARK?

Unless there is a national conspiracy here I'm unsure that it is a scam?

I am a member of TRUSTMARK and had to become a member when I joined NAPIT and their competent person scheme. It hasn't offered me much, but does provide some reassurance to my customers when I show them the badge! (crazy I know).

I have also joined IKBBI recently (last month) because I believe in doing everything I can to win business. Its too early to say whether it will be good or not but i'll soon let you know if it isn't!!

In their defence they have already visited me, so whilst I don't know how they can justify the cost, they have done what they said they would. If they have messed their sums up on the membership fee then that's their problem and not ours I suppose?

I'll keep you posted.

SG
 
Hi stevie,

thanks for signing up to the forum just to post that, that's sure to lend confidence to the regulars on here. You sure do have lots of trade associations!

I have been in contact with the OFT this morning and they have confirmed that they are looking into Retail Installation Services aka Dean Thomas and their associations with IKBBI with respect to suspicious business practices.

Please, I urge you all to keep filing your complaints at the OFT's link.

Let's get rid of these parasites,

Thanks
 
Thanks

Nice one,

Why would anyone think its NOT a scam?

Lets look at the facts!

Set up as a company in october( they did well to secure those major contracts so quickly)
Talking about those so wonderful contracts they have, why dont they respond to emails asking who they are?

No web site(every company has a web site nowadays, dont they?)
Set up the company in Oxford,I wonder why when all the company directors live round the corner from each other in Essex .In fact Dean Thomas is company director of RIS a founding member of Ikbbi, the only way to find this out is to go to companies house and download the company details there is no other transparency on any paperwork from RIS.
If it was all so innocent then why not mention it in the RIS paper work about the connection when they bang on about how RIS came about.?
Theres no info RIS on Google, well not yet anyway!!

Yes the letter says you can be a member of Trustmark and guess where that gets filed when you return it with that on or maybe you get another letter offering a discount as a duel member(i shouldnt have said that they will be getting ideas).
 
Hi ÕÚÞáÕÓÒÞß (Hope I spelt it right LOL)! ;o)

Well done for the OFT thing. Despite what you may think I don't want to get scammed either! Let's see what it brings I guess.

I do think you're all a little sceptical however, and think some of you should "get out more often".

I really can't see what the problem is and think that if this isn't for you, then don't do or join it.

Fair play for bringing it to fellow forum users though, but I can't help thinking you're all sounding a little bitter?

Maybe you're working for one of the sheds and have a vested interest in fitters not finding new work? ;o) (Hmmmm)?

Unfortunately it seems that these forums are a breeding ground for hatred and scepticism (hence this only being my second - AND DEFINATELY MY LAST post) - Anyone challenging or offering compelling arguement is shot down as "an insider" and seen as rougue trading.

I guess over your combined posts, of over a thousand, you two in particular spend that much time in front of the computer, I'm not surprised your world is full of conspiracy and tretchery LOL!

Here's a couple of websites you might like to visit yourself - maybe have a break between conspiracy posts and get some tips:

http://www.debunking911.com/

and maybe

http://www.aliensthetruth.com/

Enjoy!
 
I think we should all say a big thank you to unspoken's boss StevieGO5 for taking the trouble to register to come on here making a single post to put us right about the iKBBi thing.

Or perhaps we should all roll on the floor laughing. I suppose we shouldn't blame stupid people for thinking that everybody else is as stupid as they are. It does get a bit tedious though, don't you think, one * after another spamming.

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I was writing my post above when Stevie was posting his second, and hopefully last, contribution. Have you noticed how cross these spammers get when they are shown up for what they are?

The thing is they are like naughty children, they get cross because they think that we don't know that they are being naughty. But what they can't see that we don't need to know who they are, where they are posting from, what their motives are, all we need to do is to read their posts! It's right there for everybody to read. S P A M in great big letters all over it.

Why don't they try to be a bit clever about it? Take their time, build up some posting history, pretend to be actual fitters. I'll tell why, it's because they have nothing but contempt for the people they are trying to scam, they see everybody as a victim. They have no respect for the people they see as prey. And when they get caught, they behave like Stevie does. Case proven.
 
Case proven.

Hi Kitcheneer,

I couldn't have put it better myself!!

In fact I have never been bothered by anything like this before but its just so insulting to think that we would just fall for this SCAM, I feel sorry for the fitters that have been suckered into it and paid their £100/ £150.00, then having some hope on the horizon that in the new year this lucrative contract is going to start, when its just another SCAM.

Then its even more insulting coming on here pretending to be something their not and talking to us like kids and resorting to insults( although I actually found it very amusing.

They even print up a fit price like the sheds with juicy prices like £60+VAT per carcase.Just to sweeten the SCAM.
 
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