Advise given in these hard times, should we give more?

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by MGW, Mar 25, 2020.

  1. MGW

    MGW Well-Known Member

    Please until don't give examples yet, but there are ways which electricians use to get things working which we all know break the rules, the method used to stop ovens tripping the RCD after being not used for some time for example, I am not saying what it is now, but it involves some danger, and as a result I would never say how it was done on a forum.

    However when people can't get electricians should we actually tell people? I would normally even with an apprentice weigh up if he is able to grasp the dangers, before telling him how it is done, and if we get the question clearly we would not jump in until sure the guy has worked it out, normally I would give a hint, if he is cleaver enough to work it out, also cleaver enough to keep safe.

    But what are peoples thoughts about what we can tell people?
     
  2. Severntrent

    Severntrent Active Member

    Only if you are clever enough to give advice, if not I advise you not to give it on the penalty of having your hand chopped off with a cleaver
     
  3. sparko69

    sparko69 Active Member

    If you had all the theoretical electrical knowledge in the world and knew bs7671 word for word you would NOT be a COMPETENT electrician if you allowed anyone to be at risk of being electrocuted
    Competent is the key word
     
  4. MGW

    MGW Well-Known Member

    I do see @sparko69 and @Severntrent point, which is why I started the thread before some one gives advice which could involve more danger than normal, the point is there is always a risk, 230 volt bites, and even fitting a new socket needs some skill to be safe, we know we need to work out if on a ring, radial, spur, or fused spur (never worked out why that is not called a radial) and the instructions should include checking the loop impedance both earth line and neutral line and there is some danger when using a loop impedance meter, or when omitting to use loop impedance, insulation, low ohm, or RCD meters, and we know most DIY people don't have them.

    So there is always a risk, which we assess, what I am asking (not suggesting) is with the dangers involved with getting tradesmen into the home, should we be moving the goal posts, as there could be a greater risk calling a tradesmen to DIY. No longer simply down to saving money by DIY, but could also save life.

    Clearly there is rarely a NEED to add a socket, most people can manage without doing that type of job, but there could be a NEED to cook, or live in a warm house, so if there is a question like how to get central heating or cooker working, should we say how if it involves a little more danger?
     
  5. Bob Rathbone

    Bob Rathbone Well-Known Member

    'Rules are for fools, and for the benefit of wise men'. We do not know which group we are dealing with, so I would advise caution. Defining 'Competence' seems to be an elastic area, the introduction of good old Part P certification has made the situation worse. We all know of colleagues that we would not trust to select the correct fuse for a 13A plug, and we also know those who we would trust implicitly. That's within the trade, so outside of the trade their must be some operating with dangerously limited knowledge.
     
  6. Comlec

    Comlec Well-Known Member

    With loads of folks being sent home and asked to stay there, the temptation will be there to get on with all those DIY jobs that are long overdue.

    I am sure we will see more questions related to non-essential work.
     
  7. sparky steve

    sparky steve Active Member

    @MGW In short no, people are dying from the virus we do not want to add to the death toll by people electrocuting themselves;)
     
  8. Heat

    Heat Well-Known Member

    Last place we want to have to go to at present is hospital, so my advice to everyone is do not do any work or other activity that could risk injury, unless essential work.
    So no climbing ladders, or risky diy work or jumping on trampolines etc. Let us give the hospitals as much help and also keep ourselves away from virus
     
  9. timotay

    timotay Active Member

    I have always been against giving electrical advice that encourages tight fisted, over confident DIY'ers to attempt things which may cause death or injury.... or do the electrical trade out of business.
    That is a different thing to advising best products etc. that regular sparks use and have up to date feedback on.(such as reliable PIR floods)
    Advice as burial depth for SWA would be helpful to anyone. But why would they be asking if they are going to get a registered guy to do the job ?
    Surely they can ask him ?
     
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  10. PandA3

    PandA3 Member

    "Help will always be given Harry, to those who ask for it" (Dumbledore;))
    All opinions are valid, but for me, I have received a great deal of advice for free over the years, that has saved me thousands.
    (Mostly in running a 911 for the last 16 years, and avoiding the Porsche garage prices!)
    So I'm happy to offer any help for free, and also I feel I should be entitled to undertake anything I can that is not my speciality, with advice... (but I draw the line at washing my own windows, that is definitely a specialist job!...at least that's what I tell the Mrs!)
     
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  11. timotay

    timotay Active Member

    Agreed, advice is always welcomed and there is very little a practical sensible guy, with the right tools, can do to a car that may kill him or others.
    Other disciplines may not be as forgiving...when you have no test gear to confirm a safe installation before energisation.
     
  12. Mr Rusty

    Mr Rusty Well-Known Member

    By and large, I am pleased to say this forum avoids the "all trade are Gods, all DIY are useless" dichotomy. Fortunately the majority help those non-pro's who demonstrate some competency and need a little advice, and guide the obvious numpties not to do things they shouldn't. Unfortunately the inter-pro threads do have a tendency to degenerate into arcane threads about minutiae of obscure regulations. I think the status quo is about right.
     
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