Back boxes filled with plaster

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by DIY womble, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. DIY womble

    DIY womble Active Member

  2. peter palmer

    peter palmer Well-Known Member

    Quite simply because I can either clean the boxes out afterwards or I can tuck the cables in, it doesn't really matter which I do however if I help the plasterer out then he should help me out as well.

    It seems like you think I should tuck the cables in to help you out but then spend extra money on something to make your job quicker, what gives.
     
  3. seneca

    seneca Screwfix Select

    Just tuck the cables in and then stuff some newspaper or a piece of cardboard in, simples!
     
  4. DIY womble

    DIY womble Active Member

    I do agree with you tucking the cables in and thought it would be in your interest to cover so to protect your cables from damage , I assumed wrong and was really asking for design faults, I thought it would be a more professional approach to a common moan
     
  5. DIY womble

    DIY womble Active Member

    A standard template , pair of scissors ,I don't like the cost , the packaging cardboard for boxes could have tear- outs
     
  6. JP.

    JP. Screwfix Select

    As per Sen - put the box on top of some stiffish cardboard and draw round it. Cut along the lines and push the cardboard into the box until flush with box lip - easy and cheap.
     
  7. Sparkielev

    Sparkielev Well-Known Member

    then plasterer will skim over thinking it's an old box :)
     
  8. peter palmer

    peter palmer Well-Known Member

    Basically, its just asking for the box to be completely skimmed over. I've had boxes vanish that have just had the wires curled up in plenty of times. Shock horror that any other tradesman should lose a minute of paid time doing the right thing for once, it must be this two way street they keep talking about.
     
  9. zeespark

    zeespark Member

    I sometimes use these, they kill more birds with one stone than those cardboard jobbies

    http://yoozybox.co.uk/

    Andy
     
  10. DIY womble

    DIY womble Active Member

    I've looked at these, they appear to highlight a main problem, the cover has screw heads that catch a plasterer's trowel, electricians seem to want plasterer's to go around the box, plasterer's want to skim flush and be able to remove cover when finished as the boxes outline would be clearly visible even if it's days after
     
  11. Bazza

    Bazza Well-Known Member

    Just another thing to carry around/lose.
    In my experience, bloomin platerers will just fill your boxes/push your lighting wiring up into the ceiling etc and then plaster over the lot. Better for the poor dears to at least see some new wiring....

    My first and second thought about this thread

    Not your company is it @DIY womble ? You seem to be awfully keen on them?
     
  12. peter palmer

    peter palmer Well-Known Member

    More often than not the plasterer says he will do this.

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    But actually does this

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    Then makes every excuse under the sun as to why he couldn't do it this time.
     
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  13. DIY womble

    DIY womble Active Member

    Not my company, genuinely interested why they're not used as clearly plasterer's want to trowel flat across boxes, going round is a bodge not just inconvenient, i thought electricians would want their work protected , a few mm of skim on top of the protecting cover is clearly visible
     
  14. DIY womble

    DIY womble Active Member

    Not my company, genuinely interested why they're not used as clearly plasterer's want to trowel flat across boxes, going round is a bodge not just inconvenient, i thought electricians would want their work protected , a few mm of skim on top of the protecting cover is clearly visible
     
  15. DIY womble

    DIY womble Active Member

    I'm getting the impression that some electrician's don't understand plastering, not giving up hope yet
     
  16. Bazza

    Bazza Well-Known Member

    It’s not plastering that’s the problem, it’s who does the job:mad:
     
  17. DIY womble

    DIY womble Active Member

    Agree , do you tuck your cable
    Agree , I have no problem with my builders but was shocked at all the problems posted from spark's about plasterer's , was starting to get the impression that not tucking cables in boxes was the only answer , I assumed this problem only exists on site work , but also genuinely wondered why the electrician , after years of this problem didn't do something about it, if I were doing cables I wouldn't want a stranger perhaps firstly filling the box with plaster and more importantly cleaning it out after with some sharp chisel
     
  18. Bazza

    Bazza Well-Known Member

    Ha ha ha.
    You don’t honestly think that plasterers clean the boxes out afterwards, do you?
     
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  19. DIY womble

    DIY womble Active Member

    I don't work on sites , only occasionally ever heard of the problem , if its like that I'm even more curious , would definitely use the card inserts and probably ask for them not to be cleaned out , I wouldn't trust a stranger
     
  20. Bazza

    Bazza Well-Known Member

    If you worked on sites the process goes like this.

    Electrician does first fix (runs cables, fits back boxes, etc). Then goes away from site to do other work elsewhere.
    You may not go back on site until other trades have done their work. This will include plastering.

    You'll then return to site to carry out second fix = fitting sockets and switches etc.
    While you have been away all sorts of sins will have been perpetrated on your cables
    Which will have been:
    • Moved out of the way
    • Poked back up into the ceiling
    • Chopped off because the wires were in the way of where the plumber wants to put his pipes
    • Screwed through, or punctured by those pesky nail guns
    • etc etc
    The plasterer may well have filled some of the boxes up with bonding coat and then run finishing coat over the top so you have no idea where they are or were. Its only when you start testing that you find you do not have continuity for the circuit.......

    I'm not making anything up - All of the above have happened to me on various domestic projects for customers.
     
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