Blimey the hardest job I've done so far...

Discussion in 'Carpenters' Talk' started by alwaysworking, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. yorkshireboy

    yorkshireboy Member

    Ecm is technically correct deedsy,and you owe him an apology.
    The degree of angle is taken from the crown of the rafter this is where you would place the stock of a bevel.
     
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    > i dont like vcms vision because you cant cut along
    his reference line, you are effectivly cutting thin
    air and you dont get two pieces of timber


    Eh? You still cut the timber and have two pieces.

    > personally i dont care for bevels on roofing work,
    you need a second tool to set the bevel to the
    required angle


    We use digital bevels, an lcd screen shows you the angle.

    > and it is too easy to knock a bevel slightly out, if
    you know youve done it ok........... BUT you have to
    reset the bevel again. using the second tool


    er....no. See my statement above.

    > if you dont know youve knocked the bevel you dont
    know until the rafter doesnt fit, if youve done the
    job right and cut ALL the rafters first, none of your
    rafters will fit


    Now who's a diy'er? You only mark and cut <u>one</u> rafter with the bevel. You then check that this rafter is ok and is a good fit and then mark this rafter as your PATTERN. All other rafters are identical copies of this first one (you lay this pattern rafter on the next piece of timber to be cut and mark off all the angles and cuts). The bevel is long since safely back in the van :^O
     
  3. chippie244

    chippie244 Super Member

    It must be sunny, DD is getting argumentative again. Don't forget to wear a hat. LOL.
     
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    > Ecm is technically correct deedsy, and you owe him an apology.


    YEAH! WHERE'S MY APOLOGY?

    :^O
     
  5. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    yorkshire likes ecm's vision of the cut (but not mine)

    in the process he demonstrates that he doesnt know what a complimentary angle is

    on this basis yorkshire thinks i should apologise



    well mr yorkshire can go and play with himself
     
  6. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    back to ecm

    i gather from your comments that LCD bevels indicate the angle, not like the old fashioned ones i use for second fix ;)

    i note the legions of dead sheep ready to savage me for holding a different view to you

    dare i even suggest that using a patten rafter is hard labour

    oh dear i can hear the dead sheep gathering
     
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    The pattern rafter idea is very good. Use a good chippie to make the pattern and then give the rest of the cutting job (hard labour) to a chimp on £5.50 an hour.

    That way I can get a whole roof cut for about £80 :^O
     
  8. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    understand the use of a pattern rafter with unskilled labour

    i make a jig that way i dont get to lift the pattern rafter time after time, yes if you measure the lenght wrong its a pain in the wallet, so you tend to double check
     
  9. scribes not mitres

    scribes not mitres New Member

    The pattern rafter idea is very good. Use a good
    chippie to make the pattern and then give the rest of
    the cutting job (hard labour) to a chimp on £5.50 an
    hour.

    That way I can get a whole roof cut for about £80 :^O

    I held you in quite high regaurd until I read that quote,just hope you was joking and that you are not that new generation that cannot pay a person a fair wage but takes some perverse pride in the fact that you make loads of dollar by paying poverty wages .Shame on you From woodenead aka splinter.
     
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    > I held you in quite high regaurd

    Well ta very much


    > until I read that quote

    oh..... :(


    > just hope you was joking

    yeah, 'course I was ;)


    > and that you are not that new generation that cannot pay a person a fair wage

    who, moi?


    > but takes some perverse pride in the fact that
    you make loads of dollar by paying poverty wages

    £5.50 an hour is good. In Albania that's a months wages.


    > Shame on you From woodenead aka splinter.

    Bye!
     
  11. yorkshireboy

    yorkshireboy Member

    Deedsy,
    The word starts with an "s" and ends with a "y" it doesn,t make you any less of a man.
    The OP asked a question and ecm answered correctly,next you came on getting all insulting.
    Come on you can do it...;)
     
  12. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    yorkshire

    read the posts
     
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    > yorkshire

    read the posts


    ok DD, I've just done that and here's your first post on this matter:


    some idiot above has never hit a nail with a hammer, let alone framed a roof
    the FIRST lesson in pitching a roof
    the plumb cut is the same as the pitch



    Hmmmmmm. Seems you DO owe me an apology.
     
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    Oh, and here's your second post on this subject:

    the plumb cut on a 20 degree pitch roof is 20 degrees
    extremely clever man you are the second person on this topic who has clearly never pitched a roof in his life



    Yes, you DEFINATELY owe me an apology!
     
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    dd, here's your third post on this subject:

    mr vercleverman, the whole world is waiting for you
    you will be the first person in the history of this planet to have pitched a 20 degree roof with a 70 degree plumb cut


    It's not looking good for you dd is it :^O

    If you're going to get 'shouty' then you have to be very sure you are right. As we can all see, you were NOT right.
     
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    I could go on embarrasing you dd but I'm not that unkind.
     
  17. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    ive already answered the question. we are both right (as i mentioned above)

    SO

    here is my apology, get yorkshire boy to prove im wrong (mathmatically)


    if hes capable, ecm, dirty deeds and pythagoras will be wrong.

    i doubt it










    he cant
     
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    dirtydeeds, I accept your apology.
     
  19. yorkshireboy

    yorkshireboy Member

    here is my apology, get yorkshire boy to prove im
    wrong (mathmatically)

    The sum of the three angles of a triangle is 180 degrees.
    Do you dispute this ?
    Imagine a lean to roof,the angle where the ceiling meets the wall is always 90 .In your world the pitch angle is 20 and the plumb cut is 20.
    If this is correct you have proved Pythagoras wrong.






    he cant
     
  20. scribes not mitres

    scribes not mitres New Member

    I> ive already answered the question. we are both right
    (as i mentioned above)

    SO

    here is my apology, get yorkshire boy to prove im
    wrong (mathmatically)


    if hes capable, ecm, dirty deeds and pythagoras will
    be wrong. If we assume that 90 degrees is now zero degree,you would be right. do not believe what you read on youre chop-saw.I will personally skick with pythagorus,

    i doubt it










    he cant
     

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