Boris

Discussion in 'Just Talk' started by Harry Stottle, Aug 29, 2019.

  1. DIY0001

    DIY0001 Active Member

    Isn't he compelled to do exactly that? The Lib Dems have had their conference, Labour are in the middle of theirs, and it would be undemocratic of Parliament to prevent the Conservatives having theirs as scheduled, despite Bercow's call to resume at 11:30 tomorrow.
     
  2. Bill Bog

    Bill Bog Member

    Really?! What it shows is that parlament is sovereign and those in power are temporary care-takers, but most importantlyu must abide by the law and constitution.

    You don;t need 'thought police' or to read anybody's mind to determine that boris had absoluetly no legitimate reason for this highly unusual cancelling of parliament. DIT0001, do you belive Boris and his reason for the cancellation?
     
  3. DIY0001

    DIY0001 Active Member

    What I, or anyone else, believes is irrelevant. Unlike the Supreme Court, I don't presume to know what went through Boris's mind.
    Only the Thought Police can do that, whatever title they hide behind! That is what has been demonstrated today.
     
  4. Britain does not have a written constitution.
     
  5. Heat

    Heat Screwfix Select

    I am not sure any good will happen with Parliament back tomorrow.
    It has been 3 years without any progress. Another 2 months will not help us.
    It is going to be more bickering, and complete opposition to anything the government attempts with Brexit.
    Really childish comments from various MPs about how embarrassing it is for those who support the government.
    Boris should challenge any opposition party or individual opponents to give their detailed solution or shut up.
    We have no detail from Labour, other than they would create a mystery deal with EU and then put it to us to vote on. Total bull.
     
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  6. Bill Bog

    Bill Bog Member

    But it is going to be really exciting :)
     
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  7. DIY0001

    DIY0001 Active Member

    Except in this case parliament democratically agreed to abdicate that sovereignty and pass the decision to the people in a referendum.
     
  8. Hans_25

    Hans_25 Screwfix Select

    God won't help the country as it doesn't exist.
    Not quite, the referendum was advisory rather than binding, therefore no formal authority was delegated to the people.
     
  9. DIY0001

    DIY0001 Active Member

    They agreed to abide by the result. Now that WAS a lie.
     
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  10. Bill Bog

    Bill Bog Member

    And had it been a binding referendum it would have been cancelled due to dishonesty and legal inconsistencies, a bit like this current case! :)
     
  11. DIY0001

    DIY0001 Active Member

    Correct, but it does have a constitution.
     
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  12. Bill Bog

    Bill Bog Member

    I think what parlament is doing is what is best for the country, and that's the simple reason that they are doing it. Almost all of them accept that a no deal would be a very bad thing, and that any other deal that Boris might get will also be worse than the current situation, so what do you expect them to do?! They aren't your puppets to do your bidding, they are people who will do what they belive is best. And when we see that some people are seemingly happy to accept a PM who blatantly lies and cheats, I think we can conclude that MPs are better representitives than the average Joe.
     
  13. Bill Bog

    Bill Bog Member

    And may now have a written one before too long! :)
     
  14. DIY0001

    DIY0001 Active Member

    But that is indeed the problem. The country voted to leave while the elite wanted to remain. They political elite claim to be implementing the will of the people, but actually they are just doing what they think is best... for them.
    As someone pointed out a while back, democracy only works with the consent of the losing side. In this case that consent has been withdrawn and consequently any blockage of the result, whether by sovereign parliament or supreme court, is undemocratic.
     
  15. ajohn

    ajohn Screwfix Select

    Yes but there is no point in repeatedly telling people that. Even the media are using the word of late. The myth will persist.

    John
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    When it means a lot of the sensible ones change party or loose their job? Some just blow with the wind which ever direction it happens to be. Boris fits that perfectly.

    John
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  16. Hans_25

    Hans_25 Screwfix Select

    Indeed that is the case. The majority voted for leave but leaving is not in the best interests of the majority and parliament's mandate is to do what's best for the country. Its like Turkeys voting for Xmas and Farmer saying no.

    (BTW I am no fan of the EU)
     
  17. Bill Bog

    Bill Bog Member

    DIY0001, could you give me the names of some of the 'elite' who want to remain, and I'll try and summon up a list of those who want to leave, then we'll compare them.
     
  18. Bill Bog

    Bill Bog Member

    Boris doesn't just blow with the wind, he creates it.
     
  19. ajohn

    ajohn Screwfix Select

    Too true. The wind comes out of a curious place too.

    John
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  20. Joe the Plumber

    Joe the Plumber Screwfix Select

    Conversely, some Joes are better than the average MP (and they can spell....)
     

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