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Hans_25 said:
Not quite - it was the length of time of prorogation, as the reason for prorogation was to prepare for a queens speach which only needs a few days. I fear Boris may recall parliament but then prorogue again quite soon.
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Isn't he compelled to do exactly that? The Lib Dems have had their conference, Labour are in the middle of theirs, and it would be undemocratic of Parliament to prevent the Conservatives having theirs as scheduled, despite Bercow's call to resume at 11:30 tomorrow.
 
DIY0001 said:
It goes a lot further than that! It seems to set the precedent that the judiciary can decide and define what thoughts were present in an individual's mind at any point in time and convict on that. Not something we should be proud of at all. It demonstrates that 1984's Thought Police are real and running the UK now! :(
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Really?! What it shows is that parlament is sovereign and those in power are temporary care-takers, but most importantlyu must abide by the law and constitution.

You don;t need 'thought police' or to read anybody's mind to determine that boris had absoluetly no legitimate reason for this highly unusual cancelling of parliament. DIT0001, do you belive Boris and his reason for the cancellation?
 
Bill Bog said:
Really?! What it shows is that parlament is sovereign and those in power are temporary care-takers, but most importantlyu must abide by the law and constitution.
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Britain does not have a written constitution.
 
I am not sure any good will happen with Parliament back tomorrow.
It has been 3 years without any progress. Another 2 months will not help us.
It is going to be more bickering, and complete opposition to anything the government attempts with Brexit.
Really childish comments from various MPs about how embarrassing it is for those who support the government.
Boris should challenge any opposition party or individual opponents to give their detailed solution or shut up.
We have no detail from Labour, other than they would create a mystery deal with EU and then put it to us to vote on. Total bull.
 
God won't help the country as it doesn't exist.
DIY0001 said:
parliament democratically agreed to abdicate that sovereignty and pass the decision to the people in a referendum
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Not quite, the referendum was advisory rather than binding, therefore no formal authority was delegated to the people.
 
Hans_25 said:
God won't help the country as it doesn't exist.


Not quite, the referendum was advisory rather than binding, therefore no formal authority was delegated to the people.
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And had it been a binding referendum it would have been cancelled due to dishonesty and legal inconsistencies, a bit like this current case! :-)
 
DIY0001 said:
They agreed to abide by the result. Now that WAS a lie.
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I think what parlament is doing is what is best for the country, and that's the simple reason that they are doing it. Almost all of them accept that a no deal would be a very bad thing, and that any other deal that Boris might get will also be worse than the current situation, so what do you expect them to do?! They aren't your puppets to do your bidding, they are people who will do what they belive is best. And when we see that some people are seemingly happy to accept a PM who blatantly lies and cheats, I think we can conclude that MPs are better representitives than the average Joe.
 
Bill Bog said:
I think what parlament is doing is what is best for the country, and that's the simple reason that they are doing it.
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But that is indeed the problem. The country voted to leave while the elite wanted to remain. They political elite claim to be implementing the will of the people, but actually they are just doing what they think is best... for them.
As someone pointed out a while back, democracy only works with the consent of the losing side. In this case that consent has been withdrawn and consequently any blockage of the result, whether by sovereign parliament or supreme court, is undemocratic.
 
Deleted member 11267 said:
Britain does not have a written constitution.
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Yes but there is no point in repeatedly telling people that. Even the media are using the word of late. The myth will persist.

John
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DIY0001 said:
But that is indeed the problem. The country voted to leave while the elite wanted to remain. They political elite claim to be implementing the will of the people, but actually they are just doing what they think is best... for them.
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When it means a lot of the sensible ones change party or loose their job? Some just blow with the wind which ever direction it happens to be. Boris fits that perfectly.

John
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Bill Bog said:
I think what parlament is doing is what is best for the country, and that's the simple reason that they are doing it.
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Indeed that is the case. The majority voted for leave but leaving is not in the best interests of the majority and parliament's mandate is to do what's best for the country. Its like Turkeys voting for Xmas and Farmer saying no.

(BTW I am no fan of the EU)
 
DIY0001 said:
But that is indeed the problem. The country voted to leave while the elite wanted to remain. They political elite claim to be implementing the will of the people, but actually they are just doing what they think is best... for them.
As someone pointed out a while back, democracy only works with the consent of the losing side. In this case that consent has been withdrawn and consequently any blockage of the result, whether by sovereign parliament or supreme court, is undemocratic.
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DIY0001, could you give me the names of some of the 'elite' who want to remain, and I'll try and summon up a list of those who want to leave, then we'll compare them.
 
ajohn said:
Yes but there is no point in repeatedly telling people that. Even the media are using the word of late. The myth will persist.

John
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When it means a lot of the sensible ones change party or loose their job? Some just blow with the wind which ever direction it happens to be. Boris fits that perfectly.

John
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Boris doesn't just blow with the wind, he creates it.
 
Bill Bog said:
I think what parlament is doing is what is best for the country, and that's the simple reason that they are doing it. Almost all of them accept that a no deal would be a very bad thing, and that any other deal that Boris might get will also be worse than the current situation, so what do you expect them to do?! They aren't your puppets to do your bidding, they are people who will do what they belive is best. And when we see that some people are seemingly happy to accept a PM who blatantly lies and cheats, I think we can conclude that MPs are better representitives than the average Joe.
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Conversely, some Joes are better than the average MP (and they can spell....)
 
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