Brexit. What are the benefits?

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I hope DA is respecting my wish for this to be a post for the leavers to express their point of view because I don't have a clue what they want and believe.
 
joinerjohn1 said:
Is that a swerve DA or you just can't think of any examples of what we'd have to negotiate away (sovereignty wise like)
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for a free trade deal with Europe, there will be a sovereignty trade off, what and to what degree I have no idea, nor does DA.
 
Thanks to the inability of our Politicians to adequately explain what Brexit will mean to us, I don't have a clue. I voted out because I did not vote to join, I have no idea if I am right or wrong, just fasten the seat belt and enjoy the ride! to oblivion, or not!
 
Bob Rathbone said:
Thanks to the inability of our Politicians to adequately explain what Brexit will mean to us, I don't have a clue. I voted out because I did not vote to join, I have no idea if I am right or wrong, just fasten the seat belt and enjoy the ride! to oblivion, or not!
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Thank you Bob.
 
ENOUGH of the f'n 'thank you's!

Gawd - it's sooooo 'PC', innit. :)
 
fillyboy said:
for a free trade deal with Europe, there will be a sovereignty trade off, what and to what degree I have no idea, nor does DA.
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What sovereignty trade off filly ? Do tell please. ( before DA beats you to it) The only trade agreement the UK has at the moment that impinges on our sovereignty, is our membership of that corrupt European trading club. ;);)

Ohh, mind you, under their rules, that’s the only trade agreement we are allowed.
 
btiw2 said:
It would be dishonest to say claim that the consequences of Brexit are entirely negative. Every cloud-cuckoo-land contains a silver lining.

I may agree that Brexit is a net negative, but it’d be dishonest to pretend it’s all negative. I’m going to (naively) assume this post isn’t a trap and we’re actually going to discuss some of the benefits.

I know most positives have a yeah-but, or then-what-about. But this is to discuss the positives as though we were intelligent and civil?

Some positives.

Nearly 9B saving pa (once divorce bill settled). It’s not a lot, but it is something.

Some goods become much cheaper. Once we leave fortress Europe we don’t have their tarrifs. Some goods have high tarrifs to protect other EU countries (usually food). We don’t grow oranges, but Spain does. EU tarrifs protect orange producers by making them more expensive. This applies to many products - oranges are not the only fruit.

Some third world countries benefit. Less trade with the EU means more trade with less developed nations. Trade>aid.

Option for weaker employee rights. You may not like this, but it can’t be denied that some will find this a benefit.

Less EU anxiety. Many people just didn’t like being members of the EU. It can’t be argued with. It’s a matter of taste. This could be the most important one - one that no remainer can really argue with.

Weird one now. I heard (on radio 4) that some young women felt it was more difficult to find a mate when competing with (what they felt were) prettier east European women. Mingers have votes too.

Flippant one now. The Express and Mail will have fewer things to exaggerate and lie about. Fewer scapegoats has to be a good thing.

Demographic. Immigrants tend to be young and consequently more fertile. This puts demographic pressure on certain important resources. Schools, maternity and paediatric services, pub beer gardens.

I won’t say “sovereignty”. It’s a word that most people use without seeming to really understand. It’s played like a trump card... in a game of chess.
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It's not a trap. I want to hear the leavers opinion and they seem very shy about giving it, I don't think you're a leaver but there are parts of the EU you don't like which is fair enough. There are parts of it that I don't like too.
 
Ok I’ll start with these

We could decide who comes into our country

Our courts would have the final say over those laws

We wouldn’t have to accept decisions forced on us by other countries

We would retain our sovereignty

We’d get our money back

We could make our own laws again

We wouldn’t have to listen to, or fund, the European Commission
 
facilities said:
Ok I’ll start with these

We would retain our sovereignty

We’d get our money back

We could decide who comes into our country

We could make our own laws again

Our courts would have the final say over those laws

We wouldn’t have to accept decisions forced on us by other countries

We wouldn’t have to listen to, or fund, the European Commission
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Thank you facs
 
chippie244 said:
It's not a trap. I want to hear the leavers opinion and they seem very shy about giving it, I don't think you're a leaver but there are parts of the EU you don't like which is fair enough. There are parts of it that I don't like too.
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That’s a good idea. To be clear though, I wasn’t posting things I thought were benefits to me.

For the things that I value, remain best aligns with them. But I’m not so myopic that I can’t see how other people might value things differently.

Whether remain is better than leave depends on what the individual voter wants. It’s like arguing whether a pickup is better than a corsa - it depends on your needs.

It’s a shame when people are “mis-sold” benefits though. If the Brexit debate were regulated then many politicians would be sued.
 
I understood that and it's good that you can think from somebody else's point of view
 
joinerjohn1 said:
What sovereignty trade off filly ? Do tell please. ( before DA beats you to it) The only trade agreement the UK has at the moment that impinges on our sovereignty, is our membership of that corrupt European trading club. ;);)

Ohh, mind you, under their rules, that’s the only trade agreement we are allowed.
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Any trade deal we sign (not with minor countries) will involve some trade off of sovereignty, any organisation we join will involve a trade off of sovereignty.
For example, by being a member of NATO, we are legally bound by article 5 of NATO to come to the aid of fellow members to defend them, this overrides uk law, so we lose a 'little bit' of sovereignty. Same if we walk away and revert to WTO rules, wto law will take precedence over ours, they will rule on disputes, we lose a 'little bit of sovereignty'.

It's not a biggie and certainly not what some remainers (DA) would try to have you believe.
 
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