BREXIT, Who Is Laughing Now?

palavaman said:
Joiner J, I do admit that petrol prices would have gone up, but the truth of the matter is that oil is sold in dollars. In effect, the falling value of the pound means you need more pounds to buy $1 of oil. There lies our problem. For some businesses, petrol is a major ''materials'' requirement for their daily operations. How much of this rising costs can they pass onto their customers without experiencing falling sales?
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The pre tax petrol price is pretty cheap, the problems start when fuel duty and VAT are added,that bumps up the price to silly prices, we use to pay the highest fuel duty in the EU, & I'm sure we still do, time to reduce the fuel duty I say.

Intresting facts.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0ahUKEwiArZ2g4I7QAhWLB8AKHZh8B30QFgg7MAQ&url=http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation/content/downloadables/RACF_fuel_fact_sheet.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEka-eXVGDzC8BY9GLyUIgT8Ikppg&cad=rja
 
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Diesel was at £1.40 a litre 3 years ago, we have been spoilt with low prices for the last year.
Time for a reality check and time to just accept and get on with it.
 
KIAB said:
The pre tax petrol price is pretty cheap, the problems start when fuel duty and VAT are added,that bumps up the price to silly prices, we use to pay the highest fuel duty in the EU, & I'm sure we still do, time to reduce the fuel duty I say.

Intresting facts.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0ahUKEwiArZ2g4I7QAhWLB8AKHZh8B30QFgg7MAQ&url=http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation/content/downloadables/RACF_fuel_fact_sheet.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEka-eXVGDzC8BY9GLyUIgT8Ikppg&cad=rja
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Much as i agree, its highly unlikely.

Its a major source of tax receipts that the government needs badly. I cant see it reducing
 
longboat said:
Marvelous, good for you. Ya must have been to some nice places, but how do you come to the conclusion that those on the continent are better educated than indigenous Brits? Does everyone you meet over there produce a folder containing their academic achievement certificates, as a matter of course? Just so ya know how well educated they are.
Or, are they 'generally' welcoming and kind towards you, just as the overwhelming majority of people in this country behave when they meet foreigners over here.
Nowt to do with education, it's simply what most people are like.
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I said id been in europe a lot, you asked where exactly.

I summarised my european experience for you, ive been to a lot of places, but not for holidays.

I have been to a lot of european places for holidays too, often as the only british family in the area. Yes really

My comments on education levels are based on 2 basic things. My personal observations, and the use ofbinformation easily available from places such as oecd, or if you prefer the headlines, most newspapers cover the subject annualy.

Have you ever sat in a pub or cafe or restaurant or riverside in a group of people having a relaxes conversation as the only brit there? i have often. IAm still amazed at the levels of conversation able to be discussed.

AN example, i had breakfast in denmark, with a danish host, (60's), a norwegian fisherman (50's), a polish factory worker (20's) 2 germans on holiday (20's) . Guess who was the least educated, in exam qualifications and in knowledge of the subjects? The subjects covered? Mostly europe, european politics, and the politics of each countries person present.

If that hasnt answered your question please say so
 
Another 2 examples.

I broke down in a small german village. The elderly locals could not speak enough english, and i couldnt speak enough german to sort the problem. They contacted a villager at the next village who came along, translated, and helped organise the bits and pieces i needed. an interesting stop in a local house overnight too. The reward, we bought the beers, but we couldnt buy the food, they insisted on feeding us.

To contrast that, i saw 2 foreign holidaymakers break down, locally to me and were aggressively told "if you cant speak proper english, you shouldn't be here". I took half a day off (self employed), to assist and help them. The reward? I refused their offer of money, and i apologised for the reception they had received.

Is this an example of the friendly attitude you mention? Its far more prevalant than you might think or accept
 
palavaman said:
Joiner J, I do admit that petrol prices would have gone up, but the truth of the matter is that oil is sold in dollars. In effect, the falling value of the pound means you need more pounds to buy $1 of oil. There lies our problem. For some businesses, petrol is a major ''materials'' requirement for their daily operations. How much of this rising costs can they pass onto their customers without experiencing falling sales?
And the annoying thing about all this? IT'S SELF INFLICTED.
For all those who keep saying: ''It'e early days yet, things will soon get better and we will have our country and soverienity back'', eeerrmmm, think again. THE ONLY WAY FORWARDS, IS DOWNHILL FROM HERE ON. I hope and pray that will not be the case, but I think it will be. We have deliberately destroyed our kids future.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-parliament-approval-uk-eu-high-a7394856.html
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Fully agree, but add that.

Fuel acts a double whammy on prices.

The cost of imports goes up because of the weak pound, and then the transport costs of moving those goods increases.
 
Anyone see Question Time last night?

A couple of rabid Leavers in the audience - with some spooky things in common; lack of reasoning, a near-apoplectic demand to TRIGGER ARTICLE 50 NOW! and this incredible delusion that that's all it needs to cure our country's ills.

Even the Remainers on the panel were too polite to point out that for our country to act on the will of fruit cases was not a good example of democracy.
 
Jackoftrades said:
The subjects covered? Mostly europe, european politics, and the politics of each countries person present.

If that hasnt answered your question please say so
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Would these people come on holiday to the UK and discuss British politics , whilst relaxing ? I'm sure they wouldn't. Of course during conversations abroad, the locals will discuss the politics of their own country. It's only natural that they will know more about the politics of their own country.
As for the standard of education in this country,, why is it that so many foreign students actively come to this country ? Hmm can't be that bad when they're queuing up to attend British educational institutions. (can it?)
 
Devil's Advocate said:
The three judges who carried out the letter of the (British) law are now 'enemies of the people'.
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Strange that at least one of them has a vested interest in remaining in the EU. Surely a slight conflict of interests there? You know it's a delaying tactic DA. Please tell me you can see that.
 
joinerjohn1 said:
Strange that at least one of them has a vested interest in remaining in the EU. Surely a slight conflict of interests there? You know it's a delaying tactic DA. Please tell me you can see that.
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You are a complete and utter twit, JJ!

Completely removed from reality!

Dear lord :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Are you seriously telling me that a judge who set up the European Law Institute, which, "makes recommendations and provides practical guidance in the field of European legal development with a goal of enhancing the European legal integration" doesn't have a conflict of interests?
 
joinerjohn1 said:
Would these people come on holiday to the UK and discuss British politics , whilst relaxing ? I'm sure they wouldn't. Of course during conversations abroad, the locals will discuss the politics of their own country. It's only natural that they will know more about the politics of their own country.
As for the standard of education in this country,, why is it that so many foreign students actively come to this country ? Hmm can't be that bad when they're queuing up to attend British educational institutions. (can it?)
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1 the only people on holiday were the 2 germans.

The conversations were about the politics of euroe, britain, norway, denmark and germany. They were all able to talk in depth about all of the countries. I was able to join in over Britain, europe generally and to a little extent germany. I was way out of my knowledge base, they were not!

The average conversation in britain at breakfast would consist of the price of beer, the football scores, the weather, and the latest rubbish about immigrants

The british uni's are at the top of who's rankings ?

How many "average" british workers go to thes uni's?

How well educated in comparison is an average brit to an average european then? I may have read the wrong info or misinterpreted it. Please correct me
 
joinerjohn1 said:
Are you seriously telling me that a judge who set up the European Law Institute, which, "makes recommendations and provides practical guidance in the field of European legal development with a goal of enhancing the European legal integration" doesn't have a conflict of interests?
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Since when was the judgement about joining, leaving or staying in europe.

It was a judgement of law, nothing to do with the benefits or disadvantages of membership.

I didnt like the result of their judgement, or its implications, but i respect that its about law that has to be followed.

and yes, sometimes the law is an ***!

Who said that? answer without the help of google if you are able to
 
Jackoftrades said:
Since when was the judgement about joining, leaving or staying in europe.

It was a judgement of law, nothing to do with the benefits or disadvantages of membership.

I didnt like the result of their judgement, or its implications, but i respect that its about law that has to be followed.

and yes, sometimes the law is an ***!

Who said that? answer without the help of google if you are able to
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The electorate voted to leave the European Union, Not MP's who aren't not true representation of the British public due to our undemocractic electoral system, so why should these people be allowed input into such decisions when the majority of them have a completely different agenda than the people they represent. The feeling at the moment even commented on by the guardian is that the elite will do anything to get there way and this I'm sure will cause mass protests and anger if brexit is watered down. If Mr May is to show her strength she should call a general election and the torys can decimate labour, and also giving the chance UKIP to gain the seats it deserves Rather than the disproportionate representation it has
 
Jackoftrades said:
AN example, i had breakfast in denmark, with a danish host, (60's), a norwegian fisherman (50's), a polish factory worker (20's) 2 germans on holiday (20's) . Guess who was the least educated, in exam qualifications and in knowledge of the subjects? The subjects covered? Mostly europe, european politics, and the politics of each countries person present.
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The plural of anecdote isn't data.
 
scott belton said:
The electorate voted to leave the European Union, Not MP's who aren't not true representation of the British public due to our undemocractic electoral system, so why should these people be allowed input into such decisions when the majority of them have a completely different agenda than the people they represent. The feeling at the moment even commented on by the guardian is that the elite will do anything to get there way and this I'm sure will cause mass protests and anger if brexit is watered down. If Mr May is to show her strength she should call a general election and the torys can decimate labour, and also giving the chance UKIP to gain the seats it deserves Rather than the disproportionate representation it has
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So, do you want British law or don't you?
 
scott belton said:
The electorate voted to leave the European Union, Not MP's who aren't not true representation of the British public due to our undemocractic electoral system, so why should these people be allowed input into such decisions when the majority of them have a completely different agenda than the people they represent. The feeling at the moment even commented on by the guardian is that the elite will do anything to get there way and this I'm sure will cause mass protests and anger if brexit is watered down. If Mr May is to show her strength she should call a general election and the torys can decimate labour, and also giving the chance UKIP to gain the seats it deserves Rather than the disproportionate representation it has
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UK democratic system, Scott. Scott, UK democratic system. I don't believe you've met.
 
Jackoftrades said:
It supports a personal observation, which is only 1 part of my reasoning
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So what's the reasoning?

The prejudice, ooops, sorry, let's call it a hypothesis, that sounds so much better. Your preju... ahem... hypothesis is that Europeans are better educated that the British. Is that correct?
 
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