BREXIT, Who Is Laughing Now?

[SWBUILDERS]

I dont deny immigration is an issue, and it should be able to be discussed. But please dont get the facts mixed up.

There are 2 sorts of immigrants basically (many many more sub divisions), european and non european.

Being in europe allows free movement between european states. That allows for you to travel easily as they can, and work where you like, as they can.

The biggest problem why we are suffering from (possibly, depending on your viewpoint) too many is the jobs being offered, low paid bulk jobs. This suits your right wing bosses, keeping wages low. That impacts on all of us, if the working man has no money to spend, your business struggles to charge correctly, not enough items are bought, etc. The cure, not easy is to increase the wages and therefore get more people to take those jobs. Too many "real" brits earn more money on benefits than they can at work, so who fills these jobs? vicious circle.

Then you get to non European immigrants. Do you seriously think that by leaving the Eu, their number will decrease? If you think about it fully, its likely to, yes, increase. Think about it, research the reasoning? Or even deny it, that is your right. You are allowed those rights.

THen a serious question. What is fascism ? Do you agree with it or support it?

Are you saying nearly all other countries in the world are fascist because the don't have free movement of prople but there own tailored immigration policy to benefit there culture/economy??

 

[Deleted member 33931]

How have you proven I am not bright? There are many factors that make up human rights, and I think the vast majority of people would be in agreement that these rights are forfeited if certain crimes are committed it is logic and Infact shows as do nearly all of your previous posts that with all your years of academia you in fact are completely lacking in the fundamentals of critical thinking

Anyhoo please expand on your evidence that these migrants are of better intelligence than indids

Ok, Scott - let's assume you are very bright. Much brighter than the average Brit.

What we are now left with is a person who is wilfully and intentionally dishonest with his pernicious postings.

Frankly, I'd like you better if you were chust stupid.

 

[SWBUILDERS]

I will give you a clue.

Are you getting government, and parliament mixed up? Do you really mean, the house of commons part of parliament?

If you dont understand our system, why are you voting for it? or is your vote more a "i hate europe" protest vote?

Now, do you think mep's are elected correctly or not?

What are you on about yes that's what part of parliament I ment so ministers of parliament or MP's who hold seats on parliment or are elected into parliment, Westminster the House of Commons. If I had ment people in the cabinet or House of Lords I would have said that!!!!

What I did ask tho is how you can justify the credibility of our democratic system and you have fail again to even mention it so I'll presume you can't

 

[SWBUILDERS]

Ok, Scott - let's assume you are very bright. Much brighter than the average Brit.

What we are now left with is a person who is wilfully and intentionally dishonest with his pernicious postings.

Frankly, I'd like you better if you were chust stupid.

How in any way have I been dishonest, I have just offered topics to debate that you decline on answering and then continue to mud sling

 

[Deleted member 164349]

Are you saying nearly all other countries in the world are fascist because the don't have free movement of prople but there own tailored immigration policy to benefit there culture/economy??

No, I asked , what is fascism, and do you agree with it?

My knowledge is limited on this subject, hows that?

 

[Deleted member 164349]

How have you proven I am not bright? There are many factors that make up human rights, and I think the vast majority of people would be in agreement that these rights are forfeited if certain crimes are committed it is logic and Infact shows as do nearly all of your previous posts that with all your years of academia you in fact are completely lacking in the fundamentals of critical thinking

Anyhoo please expand on your evidence that these migrants are of better intelligence than indids

He hasnt proven it in fairness.

You did that all by yourself .

Actually i am sorry i am posting this, but i couldnt help myself

 

[SWBUILDERS]

No, I asked , what is fascism, and do you agree with it?

My knowledge is limited on this subject, hows that?

Knowledge of what seats in parliment and MP's? Please enlighten me

Of course I'm not in favour of fascism, but we do not live in a totalitarian, non opposition state!!!

He hasnt proven it in fairness.

You did that all by yourself .

Actually i am sorry i am posting this, but i couldnt help myself

well no really as broth of you have been able to directly answer any of the questions I've asked you just completely avoided them

 

[Deleted member 164349]

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well no really as broth of you have been able to directly answer any of the questions I've asked you just completely avoided them

I am trying to answer you, but i need to be sure what you mean first.

I am trying to work out if you support proportianal representation or not.

And im not sure about your reply about fascism too

 

[SWBUILDERS]

I am trying to answer you, but i need to be sure what you mean first.

I am trying to work out if you support proportianal representation or not.

I am trying to answer you, but i need to be sure what you mean first.

I am trying to work out if you support proportianal representation or not.

Are you unable to read as I've already posted my views

And please tell me on how you think seats in parliment and MP's differ?

 

[Deleted member 164349]

Are you unable to read as I've already posted my views

And please tell me on how you think seats in parliment and MP's differ?

Simply, by the job (s) that parliament does, or, do you mean just the house of commons?

 

[Deleted member 164349]

Knowledge of what seats in parliment and MP's? Please enlighten me

Of course I'm not in favour of fascism, but we do not live in a totalitarian, non opposition state!!!

But you voted for the far right view and ideals ?

It still amazes me how many working class people support such far right ideals, that will impact so heavily in the not too distant future

 

[SWBUILDERS]

Simply, by the job (s) that parliament does, or, do you mean just the house of commons?

Look it's not difficault members of parliment reprisented constituents that's what my post was referring to now just answer the question about if you think it's democratic then we can put it to bed

 

[SWBUILDERS]

But you voted for the far right view and ideals ?

It still amazes me how many working class people support such far right ideals, that will impact so heavily in the not too distant future

Who said I was working class? Another assumption also how is voting to leave the EU a fascist choice absolute bigotry on your behalf

 

[Deleted member 164349]

Look it's not difficault members of parliment reprisented constituents that's what my post was referring to now just answer the question about if you think it's democratic then we can put it to bed

When you reply about how mep's are elected, you will know my answer

 

[Deleted member 164349]

Who said I was working class? Another assumption also how is voting to leave the EU a fascist choice absolute bigotry on your behalf

Too different statements in 1 post if you re read it.

I said, you voted for the far right ideals

I also said im amazed how many working class voted for such ideals too.

My opinion of you has changed now i know you are not working class too, sorry

 

[SWBUILDERS]

When you reply about how mep's are elected, you will know my answer

What? That has absolute nothing to do with either the judgement on brexit on Thursday as MePs will not have any influence, or my post on proportionate reprisentation is your trying to imply that ukip members are representing the public in the European parliment the that's a joke as if you haven't noticed we're leaving

 

[SWBUILDERS]

Too different statements in 1 post if you re read it.

I said, you voted for the far right ideals

I also said im amazed how many working class voted for such ideals too.

My opinion of you has changed now i know you are not working class too, sorry

Oh just to add I didn not say I wasn't I just asked how you knew I was working class or just generalising again

 

[Deleted member 164349]

Ok

Quite simply.

YOu have voted against a system you believe in, and voted for a system you dont believe in.

How ironic

 

[joinerjohn1]

I'm dropping out lads. We've had very sad news this morning. My wife's youngest lad (age 34) was found dead. Suffered from diabetes and didn't control it too well. PM will be either Mon or Tues when we'll find out the cause of death. So with respect I'll take no further part in this thread.. Kind Regards JJ

 

[Deleted member 33931]

How in any way have I been dishonest, I have just offered topics to debate that you decline on answering and then continue to mud sling

Happy to oblige, Scott.

You've chust said (amongst other things) that "..the vast majority (of 'these people') have destroyed there (sic) identity documents..."

I suspect very strongly that's a pile of pish. Why? Because it's counter-productive - they will be sent to the back of the queue, and will clearly be treated with more suspicion. I suspect that the vast majority of attempted asylum seekers are desperately trying to prove they are who they actually are, so that they can as quickly as possible get safe haven.

So I think you've been either misled by scurrilous peeps (shame on you) or else are being quite deliberately dishonest (double shame).

Unless you can show that what you claim is true.

Which is what I would like you to do before posting your carp.