BREXIT, Who Is Laughing Now?

scott belton said:
I voted in the general election and the Conservative party won, the then leader stepped down and a new party leader was elected a little more democratic than a vote by MEPs in a secret ballot where only one candidate was offered
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Jackoftrades said:
I never said you hated foreigners.

You accused me of me being full of hate, I asked if it showed, because of MY hatred of foreigners.

Or am I totally confused. 1 of us is ?
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that was not what you ment it was a rhetorical question aimed at me for effect and we both know what you were implying so don't take me for a fool
 
scott belton said:
that was not what you ment it was a rhetorical question aimed at me for effect and we both know what you were implying so don't take me for a fool
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No!

In writing, pure and simple, you ACCUSED ME of hate !
 
Devil's Advocate said:
Chip's comment was certainly unfortunate - but I would suggest is completely out of character for the guy.

I also have to say that Phil's and Lanc's readiness to jump on his comment in such a blatantly sanctimonious way - bearing in mind the sorts of things Phil, especially, has said on this and related threads, to be equally uncomfortable.

(I know damn well that Phil wouldn't have said a thing had it been Scott or Harry for instance...)

You need to demonstrate true humanity before you criticise others for a misguided remark. Or whatever it was.
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Judging solely on the time that chips posted the comment, I would hazard a guess that he'd had a few.
A thought in his head ended up being typed, and I reckon he probably hesitated for a while before thinking 'ah sod it', and hit the post reply button.

Pished or not, it wasn't very nice, inexcusable in fact, and I hope he realises that.
But, da, I've got too agree with Scot on this, you could have just kept quiet for once instead of blaming others for chip's comment.
Your head should be hanging ever lower than his, as you've clearly thought about what ya were doing. :-(
 
Jackoftrades said:
Controlling immigration

By leaving the eu, assuming we dont end up with a free trade deal, will, most likely, reduce the flow of european immigrants, as it will, that of those in Britain that want to work in europe.

Now explain how it will stop the non european immigration and the illegal immigration? The illegal immigration is really what needs to be controlled better?
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Because the boarder is much easier to police if there is a process for everyone to follow look at figures of illegal immigration pre 1992 and free movement
Jackoftrades said:
Ok, let me explain the differences.

IN britain you voted for an Mp, who voted for the party leader.

In europe you voted for an mep, who voted for a president.

Yes, different, i agree
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indeed but with only one choice so what's the point, also I see former president Mr Barroso enjoying life at his former puppet masters Goldman Sachs whist still receiving payment from EU electorates money how you can defend this corrupt establishment is beyond me
 
scott belton said:
Because the boarder is much easier to police if there is a process for everyone to follow look at figures of illegal immigration pre 1992 and free movement

indeed but with only one choice so what's the point, also I see former president Mr Barroso enjoying life at his former puppet masters Goldman Sachs whist still receiving payment from EU electorates money how you can defend this corrupt establishment is beyond me
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scott belton said:
Your question was loaded and your not fooling anyone idiot
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And this "new" border is to be policed how?

I believe there were 6 candidates for the presidential elections? want me to name them?
 
scott belton said:
Your question was loaded and your not fooling anyone idiot
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So i am full of hate

And im an idiot?

And the brexiteers avoid personal insults?

The idiot, is the person who researched the eu vote implications after the result. or voted without knowing what he voted for.

Isn't he ?
 
Jackoftrades said:
No!

In writing, pure and simple, you ACCUSED ME of hate !
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Let me clarify.

I have never, repeat never, accused you of hate.

Lack of thoughts, most definitely, not hate.

Read my comments how you like
 
Jackoftrades said:
So i am full of hate

And im an idiot?

And the brexiteers avoid personal insults?

The idiot, is the person who researched the eu vote implications after the result. or voted without knowing what he voted for.

Isn't he ?
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The idiot (and religious people) are people that won't except others views and avoids all questions that may be opposite of what they may think, also uses generalisations and presumptions and desires to base there beliefs as facts
 
scott belton said:
The idiot (and religious people) are people that won't except others views and avoids all questions that may be opposite of what they may think, also uses generalisations and presumptions and desires to base there beliefs as facts
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I dont understand the religious comment, I dont see its relevance and i dont condone the mention, or the need to mention the word idiot.

Other than that I concur.

You have missed all the salient points, right from the beginning of the thread.

Good job that big red bus came past when you decided to choose how to vote
 
How many times have you exposed your comments as being baseless or wrong ?

I am not bothering to count either.

Misguided is 1 thing. Affecting my families future based on such little understanding is........ you can choose the word yourself
 
Jackoftrades said:
How many times have you exposed your comments as being baseless or wrong ?

I am not bothering to count either.

Misguided is 1 thing. Affecting my families future based on such little understanding is........ you can choose the word yourself
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when? I've just asked questions or Invited you to respond but you have failed many times to respond at all, or if you have its been incoherent jibberish unrelated and trying to avoid answering and it's not just me that's has seen through your nonsense
 
Jackoftrades said:
Controlling immigration

By leaving the eu, assuming we dont end up with a free trade deal, will, most likely, reduce the flow of european immigrants, as it will, that of those in Britain that want to work in europe.

Now explain how it will stop the non european immigration and the illegal immigration? The illegal immigration is really what needs to be controlled better?
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Illegal immigration certainly does need to be controlled better, but the main problem is the free movement policy. We're not dealing with like for like countries here, some of the newer EU member states have an average wage that's 4 or 5 times lower than in Britain.

It's absurd, how can you expect gangs of workers who travel over here with the intention of undercutting nominal British wages to go unnoticed?
The 'working class' have noticed alright.
I'm not hostile towards them in any way, (before you go down that, road), I don't blame them at all, I'd probably do the same with the opportunity.
Non-eu immigration is controlled, and only those who are needed are allowed entry, and so it should be.

Now, as for the illegals, some people will always try and better their prospects in life, no stopping it, but it's the risk they take, come here illegally and you run the risk of being caught, and subsequently deported.
 
longboat said:
Illegal immigration certainly does need to be controlled better, but the main problem is the free movement policy. We're not dealing with like for like countries here, some of the newer EU member states have an average wage that's 4 or 5 times lower than in Britain.

It's absurd, how can you expect gangs of workers who travel over here with the intention of undercutting nominal British wages to go unnoticed?
The 'working class' have noticed alright.
I'm not hostile towards them in any way, (before you go down that, road), I don't blame them at all, I'd probably do the same with the opportunity.
Non-eu immigration is controlled, and only those who are needed are allowed entry, and so it should be.

Now, as for the illegals, some people will always try and better their prospects in life, no stopping it, but it's the risk they take, come here illegally and you run the risk of being caught, and subsequently deported.
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Im not going down that road of hatred by you. you havent lowered yourself to insulting me, i treat people as they treat me. You may have noticed who accused who of hatred and used the word, idiot, however...

I dont see the problem quite the same as you though. But i do think that you present a better argument.

First and foremost illegal immigration is wrong, and its a problem. In my opinion, the biggest problem of immigration.

Now, lets assume you are France, and you have a big problem of a lot of people that want to get to Britain. And we are not in europe ( the future), are you going to spend time, money and other resources on stopping (helping to stop) them getting here? or are you going to turn a blind eye, or at worst, assist them?

Or do you think our borders will be safer because we (alone) will be manning them. Just remind yourself how many immigration officials and staff numbers have been cut, not increased!

Now onto european immigrants. The issue is the type of jobs, and the reward of such, (cost of living, not specifically an amount). People such as weatherspoon boss who say he cant afford to pay the living wage, want this low levelof reward. so there will always be a demand of people looking for this low levelmof pay compared to their own original country. The cure is difficult, but it needs better workers rights, and better reward, than those that the far right want. Yes, really.
 
Jackoftrades said:
Im not going down that road of hatred by you. you havent lowered yourself to insulting me, i treat people as they treat me. You may have noticed who accused who of hatred and used the word, idiot, however...

I dont see the problem quite the same as you though. But i do think that you present a better argument.

First and foremost illegal immigration is wrong, and its a problem. In my opinion, the biggest problem of immigration.

Now, lets assume you are France, and you have a big problem of a lot of people that want to get to Britain. And we are not in europe ( the future), are you going to spend time, money and other resources on stopping (helping to stop) them getting here? or are you going to turn a blind eye, or at worst, assist them?

Or do you think our borders will be safer because we (alone) will be manning them. Just remind yourself how many immigration officials and staff numbers have been cut, not increased!

Now onto european immigrants. The issue is the type of jobs, and the reward of such, (cost of living, not specifically an amount). People such as weatherspoon boss who say he cant afford to pay the living wage, want this low levelof reward. so there will always be a demand of people looking for this low levelmof pay compared to their own original country. The cure is difficult, but it needs better workers rights, and better reward, than those that the far right want. Yes, really.
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This might ensure France doesn't.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...nce-concerning-frontier-controls-and-policing
 
Devil's Advocate said:
Chip's comment was certainly unfortunate - but I would suggest is completely out of character for the guy.

I also have to say that Phil's and Lanc's readiness to jump on his comment in such a blatantly sanctimonious way - bearing in mind the sorts of things Phil, especially, has said on this and related threads, to be equally uncomfortable.

(I know damn well that Phil wouldn't have said a thing had it been Scott or Harry for instance...)

You need to demonstrate true humanity before you criticise others for a misguided remark. Or whatever it was.
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I just have to say, " you are a complete ****"
Using what is a totally unnecessary comment and some how turning it into a self imposing I am all important excuse to have a go at me for being upset by it.

One of my favourite saying is
"Some people are simply alive because its illegal to shoot them"
You are one of them.
 
Phil the Paver said:
This might ensure France doesn't.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...nce-concerning-frontier-controls-and-policing
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And part of the terms of extracting from europe, covers laws, and papers such as this. A very complicated affair.

ANd I quote from that 1

This Command Paper was laid before Parliament by a Government Minister by Command of Her Majesty. Command Papers are considered by the Government to be of interest to Parliament but are not required to be presented by legislation.
 
Phil the Paver said:
I just have to say, " you are a complete ****"
Using what is a totally unnecessary comment and some how turning it into a self imposing I am all important excuse to have a go at me for being upset by it.

One of my favourite saying is
"Some people are simply alive because its illegal to shoot them"
You are one of them.
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Im making no comment directly, just indirectly.

No comment about Scot's insults to me? Or is that ok because he has a similar viewpoint to you ?
 
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