Carpenters vs Joiners

Discussion in 'Carpenters' Talk' started by Willy Duwitt, Dec 1, 2006.

  1. Willy Duwitt

    Willy Duwitt New Member

    Could anyone explain the difference between carpentry and joinery or are they interchangeable terms for the same thing these days? I've always assumed that joiners are what we call 'chippies' and work on buildings whereas carpenters do more craft type work, but that may be historical and I may be completely wrong.

    My reason for asking is that I need to get a cabinet made to house / hide our electric meter but am not sure where to go to get this done. I'm after a good solid job rather than something knocked together that will split and warp within 6 months, so I guess that requires knowledge of the correct materials as well has having the appropriate skills.

    Any advice appreciated. Cheers
     
  2. audi-evo

    audi-evo Active Member

    Then you don't need a carpenter or a joiner, you need a caibnet maker ;)
     
  3. audi-evo

    audi-evo Active Member

    or cabinet even!
     
  4. jasonb

    jasonb New Member

    Generally carpenters are what you would see on site doing 1st fix items like roofs, studwork, etc and 2nd fix items like hanging doors, fitting architraves & skirtings.

    Joiners are more often workshop based and will make things like stairs, windows, doors etc.

    Cabinet makers are again workshop based and will make fitted & freestanding furniture, etc

    There is always some cross over between the trades, a good jobbing carpenter or joiner should be capable of sorting out your meter box.

    Jason
     
  5. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    a carpenter works on site
    first fix carpenter= roofs, joists, installs staircases
    secondfix carpenter=doors, skirtings architraves ironmongery

    a joiner works in a joinery shop, makes doors, staircases, cabinets like your kitchen cabinets.

    in the old tradition an apprentice carpenter would spend time in a joinery shop as well as on site.



    cabinet makers are a bit of a breed apart from carpenters/joiners, they do VERY high end cabinetry, say bodies for grandfather clocks, inlay, marketry, designer funiture, SINGLE one off pieces of furniture.





    Now just to confuse you, im a carpenter and i do mainly fix and repair of box sash windows, but i also make doors, fully fitted wardrobes, simple cabinets and corner cabinets.
     
  6. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    electric meter cabinet

    a joinery shop will charge you a fortune, then send a carpenter to fit it. thy might pre paint it for you

    a good carpenter will do it no problem, you have to find a good carpenter, but it probably wont be painted.

    you dont want a one off electric meter cabinet made of burr walnut costing £5000 so dont go to a cabinet maker

    of course you might have a spare cash ;)
     
  7. audi-evo

    audi-evo Active Member

    then of course you have shipyard carpenters who's tool kit consists of an axe and 10 woodbines!
    "oop's watch me get slaughtered by a yard carpenter
     
  8. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    shuttering carpenters only tool

    a 28oz estwing that looks like it might have been chewed

    it HAS been chewed......... by its owner

    he has a bad attitude and a sore head after drinking 12 pints of beer the night before
     
  9. joesoap

    joesoap New Member

    Back in the good / bad old days of five year apprenticeships if a time served man couldl'nt mark off cut and assemble and fit a cupboard of any description to a reasonable standard then he was called neither one or tother . There is a dialect thing in that here in Scotland a Chippie / Carpenter is a shipyard man . To call a shipyard joiner a carpenter is taken as an insult to most. I could be wrong but they were either time served one or the other. You only have to see joiner work on the liners to appreciate where I'm coming from. In England where I've worked around quite a bit we're chippies although some shops work on specialising basis in that they carried 1st fixers , 2nd fixers , sheeters . shutterers etc. I think it's generally accepted that the carpenter does the Graft and the joiner the Craft.
     
  10. slapiton

    slapiton New Member

    dirtydeeds , have you ever done any serious shuttering? if you have i bet you were "chased".
     
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  12. splinter2

    splinter2 New Member

    shuttering carpenters only tool

    a 28oz estwing that looks like it might have been
    chewed

    it HAS been chewed......... by its owner

    he has a bad attitude and a sore head after drinking
    12 pints of beer the night before

    That chewed up estwing should earn him over £900 for a five and a half not a bad investment really
     
  13. ottopumpkin

    ottopumpkin New Member

    where does a kitchen fitter feature between these crafts??
     
  14. Mr Mike

    Mr Mike New Member

    The Carpenters' Company is one of the oldest City of London livery companies dating back to as early as 1333.......

    ......with all due respect, I think the craft of Kitchen Fitting might be a slightly later offshoot of the all encompassing craft that is Carpentry & Joinery.

    Any good carpenter or joiner will be able to make & fit the original poster's electric meter.....
     
  15. Mr Mike

    Mr Mike New Member

    .....electric meter cupboard......I mean't to say !!!!
     
  16. part timer

    part timer New Member

    In Derbyshire carpenters are called joiners and joiners are called......joiners.
     
  17. joesoap

    joesoap New Member

    Ahh! Derbyshire. Was on the Rolls Royce administration block in Derby in the seventies. Tenon's of Kings Lynn at the time now Tenons International. Three or four months of demountable partitioning. Great number and a real mixed crew from all over the UK. Aquired a healthy taste for the Pedigree ale and used a wee pub called the Crystal Bell , I think. The only local chippie as we were all called chippies there , was a lovely guy called Jimmy Haynes , I think it was Chaddesden he stayed oh, and another was Aussie Coombes . I looked it up in the dictionary just for a laugh and here's what.
    Carpenter'''one who works with timber !
    Joiner''' One who works with wood ! So what does that make all you flatpackers out there ???????????
     
  18. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    slapiton, serious shuttering

    M25, M74, A228, A1-M1 Link. Any more youd like me to mention...............

    North Devon Link road, A38, M6, two further sections of the M25, 2 power stations, a 1/4 million barrel sea bed base for a north sea oil platform. sea defence work

    I cant be bothered with a full list, i do ordinary carpentry work now
     
  19. M.I.G.

    M.I.G. New Member

    > Ahh! Derbyshire. Was on the Rolls Royce
    administration block in Derby in the seventies.
    Tenon's of Kings Lynn at the time now Tenons
    International. Three or four months of demountable
    partitioning. Great number and a real mixed crew from
    all over the UK. Aquired a healthy taste for the
    Pedigree ale and used a wee pub called the Crystal
    Bell , I think. The only local chippie as we were all
    called chippies there , was a lovely guy called Jimmy
    Haynes , I think it was Chaddesden he stayed oh, and
    another was Aussie Coombes .



    oh! those memories.
     
  20. woodmeister

    woodmeister New Member

    a good joiner can usually do carpentry but a good carpenter can,t necesserally do joinery
     

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