How often do you meet other trades that are clearly chancers and shouldn't really be on site and are clearly winging it. Last week it was the plumber who had to cut holes in a newly decorated ceiling because he had no idea that a combi needed to have a 22mm gas supply and today it was a so called CCTV installer. Story- We are doing the normal electrics on a couple of HMO's but the client has got his own guy to do the fire alarm, intruder alarm, CCTV and bizarrely emergency lights. This actually suited us as we didn't have a lot of time and the plasterer was cracking on anyway so it was too much work for just us anyway. The guy apparently works for another firm so did this install at night, apart from it looking rough most of it is done wrong, he has wired all the emergency lights in the building all one one circuit where we have wired 3 lighting circuits, no test switches, fire alarm is looped in 4 core cable for some reason, no call points, no keypad cable for the alarm, just looks like a bodge job. None of it is anything to do with me though so I've just left it alone and not said anything. We have now started the second house for them and the client has asked us for a price to install the fire alarm and CCTV etc on this as well as doing the electrical work. We quoted this a couple of weeks ago giving a detailed quote for everything but not heard anything back from them so I'm presuming they are going to let the other guy do it again, thats fair enough as again the plasterer is getting on with it. but wait for this... Today we get a phone call from the client asking us to have a word with his "CCTV/alarm/eml engineer" I kid you not, he basically asked us how to fit CCTV cameras on the first house. So we spend time pricing jobs, don't get them because someone else is cheaper but we have to use our knowledge to tell the cheaper guy how to do his job because he is clueless, its a strange old world.