Cordless brands (kits) favourites etc? (unbiased, legally non binding banter)

Discussion in 'Tool Talk' started by AlvyChippy, Apr 28, 2018.

  1. AlvyChippy

    AlvyChippy Active Member

    Gents, lets have a discussion, any insults one would like to throw- will be welcomed! (and fired back at to as well) :D

    Since downgrading myself from a joiner- carpenter in to subcontractor-carpenter, I had complaints over my cables (mainly corded tools, as honestly hate almost everything cordless), down to past bad experiences and learnings about tools and makes... feel forced to "upgrade" (or to have some for the show, but push come to shove, still, would end up using corded tools)

    "pet hates"- Makhyyta, Trend power tools

    Luvie- (was) Hitli, now Katsu (they don't have kits)

    My perceptions go as following for the other "brands" (I know these days they all (90%) are made in China anyway:

    Dewalt- long time comercialist, that sticks it's name to anything, their warranties, even said as for professional tools never do materialise (made in Ch) priced up x3 it's value

    Milwaukee- perhaps bit better quality than DW, still overpriced, still made in Ch

    Bosch- some love, some hate it, I own (1998 ACF900 router- still works- love it), but others don't have that much believe in their longevity... rest is per above

    Hitachi- own few tools, whilst circular saws are (almost) THE best, other tools often less reliable... (one screwdriver broke within couple of years; C9 circular saw got "stolen" (left it on a scaffold- "walked"), my Hitachi C8FS mitre saw still works (1999 make), but lost some bits- (on order))

    Panasonic- poor range, not as robust, rest is per above

    Metabo- always underdog, always liked, always overpriced, but I like my 1/2 router and little corded drill for locks (both made prior to millennia change), but their cordless range is nothing to be impressed by lately.

    Only recently bought 3'rd Porter-Cable tool (16ga pin gun)- in short, what was great tools made in US, now the same Chinese, so... still considering due to fairer pricing, but in UK, they seem to be having image issue as DIY range from Ryobi etc...

    Considering 90% of them made in China anyway (or 98% of components from China), I should be smart and get something inferior labelled, pay fair price and praise to god, they'll be OK...
    or go with the other (almost retired, but still powerful evil in me believing in labels) MAKES?

    What's needed in a kit:
    Drill- two/three speed one (no hammer action, as it is unnecessary weight to drag about)

    Impact driver (not really- unnecessary noise), but that one is almost mandatory in any of kits

    Cordless Circular saw.... I know they all as one - utter failure, due to lack of cut of the depth or required speed for clean cut, but ... "need" one

    Saber / Reciprocating Saw... for little if ever usage, I know battery ones in any serious task is a joke, but for a couple of an awkward cuts might be handy

    Radio- must FM, 110v powered, also CHARGER

    Batteries- 1-2 of ~2ah, 2-3 of ~5ah

    Oscilating tool / Multitool... if it come "free"- yes, else...not needed, as I still have my numty Makyta and half decent new corded Bosch

  2. WillyEckerslike

    WillyEckerslike Screwfix Select

    I am Milwaukee Man. I have used their gear since it was predominantly made in Germany and was compatible with AEG and Atlas Copco. I run 18v and 12v kit and have made adaptors to run my old Ni-Cad kit with newer (better) Li-Ion batteries. Like most platforms I am hooked into them because of the batteries but very satisfied on the whole. Just as an aside - the original recip saw (Sawzall) is a great bit of kit. Like you say I don't need it often but with its pivoting handle, reversible blade and oscillating or straight cutting action it really does get me out of a fix some times.
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  3. AlvyChippy

    AlvyChippy Active Member

    don't have a single Milwaukee tool, just "brand name refresher":
    Atlas Copco (my old "luvie", had both SDS and Cordless 14,4 v Pro-Plus) 'been sold to AEG
    AEG partnered with Milwaukee, but parted later
    These days AEG design is made by its franchise Rodgit in US
    AEG and Ridgit are distant from Milwaukee these days

    all 3 are made in Ch, right?
  4. Jimmycloutnail

    Jimmycloutnail Screwfix Select

    Dewalt over priced? There body only tools are cheap as chips?

    choose a brand and when you have a few batteries the tool themselves are for nothing, have the dewalt 18v circular saw it’s ok but the makita one was better as lighter and more comfortable to use but the 54 flexivolt dewalt is a beast very heavy though.

    The dewalt cordless multi tool is far better than the makita version.

    I’ve found makitas quality Has gone down recently I have had numerous tools needed to be repaired after just a month or twos usage especially the guard mechanism on there chop saws absolute joke!!
  5. WillyEckerslike

    WillyEckerslike Screwfix Select

    I suspect so Alvy. I'll check the labels but most of it is on a job so will have to wait until Monday.

    I also have a heated jacket. Originally thought it was a gimmick but for 10 minutes in the workshop it's great and saves heating the whole place for nothing. Really effective.
  6. AlvyChippy

    AlvyChippy Active Member

    if to buy one big kit DeathWalt is not a bit cheaper, than the rest ;)
  7. Jimmycloutnail

    Jimmycloutnail Screwfix Select

    I got 9 piece kit for a grand including vat on Black Friday
    i got a 9 price kit for a grand on Black Friday, for what you get that’s unbelievable
  8. AlvyChippy

    AlvyChippy Active Member

    mind listing out and price of your BlackDecker kit? :D :p
  9. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Sabre saw. Hitachi

    Angle Grinders Makita 5" paddle handle, 9" Makita & 9" Hitachi

    Multitool: Bosch

    SDS Drill: Bosch GBH 4 DSC Multi Drill,18.5 years old,very well used, still going.

    Circular saw: Skill.

    Jigsaw: Bosch.

    Cordless: Bosch GSB 18 V-60 C brushless combi, Li Plus combi & a elderly ni cad combi, GDX 18 V-EC impact driver a GKS18v-Li circular saw.

    Planer: Bosch blue.

    Bosch Li Ion 2x 2Ah & 2x 5Ah batteries.

    Bosch: sliding Mitre saw 8"

    Don't like Trend, overpriced a lot of their stuff, or Dewalt, had so much hassle with a warrenty on a one day old combi that destroyed it's gearbox.

    Makita quailty today is poor, compared to Makita of yesteryear.
    Look at a Makita sliding mitre saw last year or year before, rough casting, slop/play in the slide,depending how you pull saw over, blade would wander out of alignment with the laser line, but saw was a demonstrator, but it didn't inspire longevity or reliabilty with me.
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  10. AlvyChippy

    AlvyChippy Active Member

    I think, you've missed the point about cordless kit ;)
    no funny, jealous! couple of weeks ago my geniune US made Classic packed up, replaced with Hitachi C7 (alloy plate)- good saw! don't know where's made, hence how long it'll last but having 55 degree cut option- nice!
    :D hand Trend tools ar overpriced, but OK, DeathWolt... my 110v planer is still near best (4mm rebate ability) good, just not a single todays made tool could be of that reputation, hence - I'm poking "Black & Decker" as they are made (most) in the same factories in Ch
    yup- my pet hate!

    have noticed anything (any make), in cordless range, you'd say worth premiums or even be made NOT in Ch?
  11. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member


    Use to be made in Japan, had a 12" Hitachi circular saw,what a beast,was superb saw, until some barsteward nicked it.:mad:
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  12. Jimmycloutnail

    Jimmycloutnail Screwfix Select

    9 piece dewalt
    2 x 5 amp battery’s

    Sold all my makita 18v gear had 10 items and 8 battery’s and got more than I paid for the brand new dewalt stuff bought a plainer for a 1er bare and bought 5 battery’s separate for 150

    I used to take the **** about dewalt but 80% of the kit is far better than the makita stuff, I’ve got some festool gear and that’s obviously a different league but for the money I am really impressed with the dewalt kit
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  13. Isitreally

    Isitreally Super Member

    I like Hitachi, reliable tools for little money.
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  14. Jord86

    Jord86 Screwfix Select

    2 impact drivers, one Hilti, one AEG blue (DIY version, ten year old, still going, still outstanding and keeps up with the Hilti!)

    Dewalt 24v Cordless SDS, need to upgrade soon, nicad batteries dying.
    Dewalt 18v cordless drill driver, nicad.
    Dewalt 18v radio, nicad.
    Dewalt 18v cordless circular saw, nicad.
    Dewalt line laser
    Dewalt cordless torch, nicad
    Dewalt corded heat gun

    Dewalt 18v cordless planer, lithium ion.
    Dewalt 18v cordless circular saw, lithium ion.

    Bosch green planer (people laugh, but it's hung hundreds of doors)
    Bosch green 1/4" router set up for making round overs/bullnoses
    Bosch blue 12v cordless drill driver, lithium ion.
    Bosch blue corded 8" mitre saw.
    Bosch blue 1/4" Palm router
    Bosch blue corded jigsaw (20 year old)
    Bosch blue 4 1/2" angle grinder

    Hitachi 9" corded angle grinder

    Makita corded sds drill set up as a paddle whisk
    Makita corded 7 1/4" circular saw (30+ years old, still great)
    Makita corded 12" double bevel mitre saw

    3 Paslode first fix cordless nailers
    1 Paslode second fix pinner

    1 Spit shot fire cartridge gun

    Hilti corded circular saw
    Hilti laser distance pen

    Festool cordless collated screwgun

    Titan corded sds/breaker

    Stihl petrol disc cutter

    McCullough Chain saw

    Honda generator

    Elu corded biscuit jointer

    A proper patchwork quilt of gear, there's probably loads I've missed, but that's off the top of my head. Eventually going to change cordless tools over to Dewalt and keep the same batteries. All bought, earned, paid for, traded, swapped, bargain hunted genuinely bona fide tools.
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  15. Jimmycloutnail

    Jimmycloutnail Screwfix Select

    I have the Titan Sds breaker and the Titan kango what a bargain Less than £200 for both machines

    I also had the Bosch palm router and which I kept it as swapped to the makita as local plaster had a deal with the plunge base but again the quality is no where near the Bosch, every thing on makita gear seems to be made of plastic these days
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  16. KIAB

    KIAB Super Member

    Bosch plunge router was the worse thing I've bought,dropped a clanger, it will only accept Bosch guide bushes, so fitted a sub base to use two piece ones I have.
    Also got a Katsu,with a plunge base,(base cost £27, compared to Bosch around £70 which I not buy) can't fault it, excellent tool,a best buy.
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2018
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  17. Jord86

    Jord86 Screwfix Select

    Those Titans are superb, there's a lot of tool snobbery within the construction industry but if something works for the job intended then who cares if it's Lidls own (within reason.) I've hacked off two large rooms of solid plaster with it for its first job, paid for itself in the first two hours. You're never going to do cabinet making bespoke ultra orgasm finish work with a £65 Titan sds but then if the person bought it thinking that then they're an idiot.
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  18. Joe95

    Joe95 Screwfix Select

    The major selling point for cheap brands to trades is the price.

    If a £65 drill breaks on a demo job, you won't be nearly as bothered as if it was a £300 branded equivalent!

    My 'cheap brand' power tools that I'm bloody impressed with are the Evolution mitre saw, the Evolution disc cutter and the big Titan breaker.

    I'm predominately a Makita user, and have started buying into Dewalt here and there after getting the framing and finish guns with 5AH batteries.

    And then there's Festool, of which I have:

    CTL Midi,
    CTM 26,
    Various hoses and adaptors,
    Kapex KS60,
    Kapex KS120,
    An assortment of FS and FSK rails,
    Rotex R0150,
    And an empty wallet! :D
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  19. Joe95

    Joe95 Screwfix Select

    I've just noticed this thread is about 'Cordless Tools'


    The majority of my tools are 110, excluding a few 240 and some 18v.
  20. Jord86

    Jord86 Screwfix Select

    This is a democracy Joe, you can make this thread into whatever you want (sorry Alvy) :)
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