Design for complete house rewire

DedicatedDIYer said:
If it's too expensive, I might train up as an electrician in 4 weeks and do it myself haha, that'll be the dream lol
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If you are serious about doing some of the work yourself then you could consider engaging a Third Party Certifier. I have worked with folks who take this route and have had good outcomes. However, these jobs are fraught with problems as outlined above and will take much longer that initially envisaged. It is unlikely that you will get a fixed quote for labour only.
DedicatedDIYer said:
Any ideas how much all this will cost :)
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A rough estimate using your figures would be in the range £3k to £5k but could much more.
 
I'm not talking about supplying every item. I usually tell the contractor to supply materials that do not envisage much choice. In the electrical trade, that will include the cables, consumer unit, breakers, trunking, conduits etc. But I as the client will supply any materials that does have much choice, i.e. the lights, switches and sockets, extractor fans etc.

I will of course do research before buying anything to ensure it meets all the regulations. All the materials will be delivered before the electrician starts work. So they may see what they're dealing with and install first fix accordingly.

I don't believe in making markup off items, they're not a shop. They will get paid well for their time and expertise, that's it.

About warranty of second fix items, they will be offered by the supplier.

Training up is an option for me and I would assume for others too, but I will not take up this route at this time. Remember it is the basic training, enough for a residential house rewire, no one's talking about advanced electrical installations like in commercial settings.
 
DedicatedDIYer said:
I'm not talking about supplying every item. I usually tell the contractor to supply materials that do not envisage much choice. In the electrical trade, that will include the cables, consumer unit, breakers, trunking, conduits etc. But I as the client will supply any materials that does have much choice, i.e. the lights, switches and sockets, extractor fans etc.

I will of course do research before buying anything to ensure it meets all the regulations. All the materials will be delivered before the electrician starts work. So they may see what they're dealing with and install first fix accordingly.

I don't believe in making markup off items, they're not a shop. They will get paid well for their time and expertise, that's it.

About warranty of second fix items, they will be offered by the supplier.

Training up is an option for me and I would assume for others too, but I will not take up this route at this time. Remember it is the basic training, enough for a residential house rewire, no one's talking about advanced electrical installations like in commercial settings.
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Domestic or as you call it residential rewires are harder to do than commercial rewires. Im not sure what makes you think you only need basic training to rewire your house.
 
I disagree, commercial settings can be far more complex. This statement assumes the commercial setting is bigger and involves more complex setups, as is the standard assumption. I'm not talking about mansions vs small corner shops.

The domestic installer course will provide enough detail to wire my own house. I know friends who have wired their own house with knowledge from such a course with no issues.
 
DedicatedDIYer said:
I disagree, commercial settings can be far more complex. This statement assumes the commercial setting is bigger and involves more complex setups, as is the standard assumption. I'm not talking about mansions vs small corner shops.

The domestic installer course will provide enough detail to wire my own house. I know friends who have wired their own house with knowledge from such a course with no issues.
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Commercial environments are easier to wire for many reasons.
The domestic installer course will not provide enough detail to enable you to rewire your own house . That is what the course provider has told you but its not true.
 
4 week course doesn't tell you the best routes to take, how to channel boxes neatly, cutting floor boards, using multi tools, it took my apprentice over years to get competent, although he knew the basics of wiring it takes years to get good at it, as for buying your own materials any spark will charge you a call out fee if any fail, me personally I'm upfront with what I'm paying for materials I just prefer to buy them myself.
 
I know how to chase via walls and floor joists and have the tools required. I agree practice makes a better contractor. I actually fixed a phone line previously, a qualified electrician forgot to join a line under the floors in a landing.
 
DedicatedDIYer said:
If the domestic installer course isn't good enough, I'm sure JW's YouTube channel will be good enough :)
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OK if its so easy to become an electrician answer this question, why are you a diy'er when you could just go on a domestic installer course and become an electrician and be rewiring houses???
 
DedicatedDIYer said:
Qualifications do not make you a good tradesperson. It's experience and the type of person you are in life.
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Really

Obviously from different age groups. When I was on the tools you did
not get on a site without proof of qualifications. I am not saying getting a city & guilds as it was in my day makes you a good tradesman but it does mean that you had some training. I agree that experience does count of course. Don’t get your bit about type of person you are. I know some very nice guys who are **** tradesmen. Also know some D***heads who are very good tradesmen.
 
ChicoTradesman said:
Really

Obviously from different age groups. When I was on the tools you did
not get on a site without proof of qualifications. I am not saying getting a city & guilds as it was in my day makes you a good tradesman but it does mean that you had some training. I agree that experience does count of course. Don’t get your bit about type of person you are. I know some very nice guys who are **** tradesmen. Also know some D***heads who are very good tradesmen.
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Basically saying just because someone is qualified, that doesn't mean they are good contractors. So in essence I'll take proven experience over qualifications. At the same time, qualifications have their place, e.g. to certify work.
 
DedicatedDIYer said:
Basically saying just because someone is qualified, that doesn't mean they are good contractors. So in essence I'll take proven experience over qualifications. At the same time, qualifications have their place, e.g. to certify work.
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Proven experience ? From where ? You are not just suddenly a plumber or a sparky. Are you telling me that they started installing pipe work or cables in peoples houses without having a knowledge of what they were doing. Otherwise where does the proven experience come from ? It amazed me when I first came to work in the south just how many people in construction where doing jobs that they had no formal training for, still amazes me to this day. Having said that it seems to be the norm and when I bring up lack of training I am seen as odd. It also seems to be acceptable that more people call themselves “builders”rather than a particular trade, plumber, sparky, brickie.
 
Sorry to seem to downplay qualifications, they are equally important.

Qualified can be ****, and non-qualified can be great due to experience.
Qualified can also be great due to knowledge, and non-qualified can be **** due to not having the knowledge.
 
Here's an example of how you can become a domestic installer in 4 weeks. It's not for the faint hearted, but if you are of sound mind, why not. If the labour charge of my specs is for e.g. £5000, you can save 50% if you do a course like this.

https://www.tradeskills4u.co.uk/courses/domestic-installer-course

Obviously a fully fledged qualified electrician will have more qualifications, and experience to tackle more complex jobs.

But I think a rewire from scratch is pretty simple, the design is the most important bit, the installation should be done following all standards.
 
DedicatedDIYer said:
Here's an example of how you can become a domestic installer in 4 weeks. It's not for the faint hearted, but if you are of sound mind, why not. If the labour charge of my specs is for e.g. £5000, you can save 50% if you do a course like this.

https://www.tradeskills4u.co.uk/courses/domestic-installer-course

Obviously a fully fledged qualified electrician will have more qualifications, and experience to tackle more complex jobs.

But I think a rewire from scratch is pretty simple, the design is the most important bit, the installation should be done following all standards.
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If you read the link it says the domestic installer course is step number 1 of 4 steps to become qualified. Even when you have done the 4 steps you would need to spend more money to join a competent person scheme and all this is going to take time and money.
Maybe 3 years and £5000
So after 4 weeks on your domestic installer course you will not be ready to rewire a house.
You might be able to rewire a plug
 
DedicatedDIYer said:
About warranty of second fix items, they will be offered by the supplier.
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Indeed they will. And if the supplier is the electrical installer they will come and fix or replace it. If on the other hand it is another supplier (shop) the installer will charge to come and change it.
 
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