DIY Gas Worrk is Legal. The proof.

Discussion in 'Plumbers' Talk' started by Water Systems, Mar 21, 2008.

  1. Arrrrrgh. Chris - your post count is 666!



    Have you looked at his website???


    chris@vietec.com
     
  2. Captain Leaky

    Captain Leaky New Member

  3. GKU

    GKU New Member

    <u>chris@vietec.com</u> - Good points buddy , I was just venting my frustration at all the sad ******* who keep this post going , hoping to draw a line under it , but as you say all I've done is keep it at the top of the list , but at least it's for a different reason than all the other people who have'nt got anything more exciting in their lives to barney about , Jeez there's some mongs about - thats my last entry on this "War & Peace" article , no doubt the real saddo's on this forum will keep it going for some time yet though !!!
     
  4. oliver1234

    oliver1234 New Member

    - Good points buddy , I was
    just venting my frustration at all the sad *******
    who keep this post going , hoping to draw a line
    under it , but as you say all I've done is keep it at
    the top of the list , but at least it's for a
    different reason than all the other people who
    have'nt got anything more exciting in their lives to
    barney about , Jeez there's some mongs about - thats
    my last entry on this "War & Peace" article , no
    doubt the real saddo's on this forum will keep it
    going for some time yet though !!!


    PMSL!!!!!!!
     
  5. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    The thread is here, it's not going away
    DIY gas work is legal and here to stay

    The Corgis yap and want DIY away
    Funds are needed for their Far East holiday

    They pay for this by charging too much
    Pensioners, cripples the destitute, as such

    Perfectly legal boilers are ripped out with great zest
    As they drive home in posh cars - only the best

    The moral of this rip-off tale?
    Is Do It Yourself without avail
     
  6. yeehaa

    yeehaa New Member

    Could'nt agree more with PRESS , and you sir (WS), have got to be the saddest one of them all - Drivel , Enid Blyton , etc , etc , etc - says it all , you are one boring sad * , ever wonder why you are so unpopular with most people on here ??? , I'll tell you this , it's not the reasons that you think . You are trying to put yourself at the top of the ladder on this forum , competing with people who are far superior to you knowledge-wise and just trying to beat them with verbal Diah***a that you read in a book somewhere , Viva Dick , Leaky , etc , etc , etc , with a bit of luck you'll get banned from this forum soon as well for boring people to death , get a life buddy (and preferably one away from this forum)- how about studying how paint dries - should be right up your street ....

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  7. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    His is YeeHaa, he rides a horse
    Shouting "yeehaa" till he's hoarse

    The name is apt, a Cowboy is he
    He must a member of that CORGI
     
  8. HOTDOG ø

    HOTDOG ø Active Member

  9. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    The things Walter gets up to.
     
  10. oliver1234

    oliver1234 New Member

    Good plumbing "Design" By Walter Systems :

    http://tinyurl.com/39udx8

    Call me pedantic if you will but shouldn't there be a bleed point somewhere on that system and how would you drain it (or fill it for that matter)?
     
  11. screwhard

    screwhard New Member

    Good plumbing "Design" By Walter Systems :

    http://tinyurl.com/39udx8

    Call me pedantic if you will but shouldn't there be a
    bleed point somewhere on that system and how would
    you drain it (or fill it for that matter)?

    Are you serious?
     
  12. Water Systems

    Water Systems New Member

    Good plumbing "Design" By Walter Systems :

    http://tinyurl.com/39udx8

    Call me pedantic if you will but shouldn't there be a
    bleed point somewhere on that system and how would
    you drain it (or fill it for that matter)?

    Appalling design. Left out the fundamentals. :(
     
  13. oliver1234

    oliver1234 New Member

    Good plumbing "Design" By Walter Systems :

    http://tinyurl.com/39udx8

    Call me pedantic if you will but shouldn't there be
    a
    bleed point somewhere on that system and how would
    you drain it (or fill it for that matter)?

    > Are you serious?

    Sorry mate, no of course I wasn't ferking serious, I just never learnt to do those bloody smiley faces! lol
     
  14. screwhard

    screwhard New Member

    Good plumbing "Design" By Walter Systems :

    http://tinyurl.com/39udx8

    Call me pedantic if you will but shouldn't there
    be
    a
    bleed point somewhere on that system and how
    would
    you drain it (or fill it for that matter)?

    > Are you serious?

    Sorry mate, no of course I wasn't ferking serious, I
    just never learnt to do those bloody smiley faces! lol

    :)like that
     
  15. Bloodnok

    Bloodnok New Member

  16. Captain Leaky

    Captain Leaky New Member

    Before or after the explosion ?
     
  17. ally1957

    ally1957 New Member

    Read through. All clear and no responses countering
    the law please. The law is the law.

    On CORGI's web site in the section on achieving ACS
    Accreditation.

    Quote:

    " Until 1998, gas installers could achieve
    certificates of competence through a number of
    different certification schemes - resulting in an
    inconsistency of standards across the UK. Those
    separate schemes have now been replaced by the
    Nationally Accredited Certification Scheme for
    Individual Gas Fitting Operatives (ACS).

    This means that all operatives are assessed within
    nationally agreed standards, to gain certificates
    that need renewal every five years. Assessments are
    available from some 150 centres around the UK. Each
    of these has been approved by one of six
    certification bodies accredited by the United Kingdom
    Accreditation Service (UKAS).

    All gas installation businesses and operatives must
    be in a 'class of persons' approved by the Health and
    Safety Executive. That currently means they must be
    registered with CORGI."


    This does not apply to DIY work. CORGI, as one would
    expect, say "could be dangerous" and
    "likely to be illegal". They are hardly
    likely to say on a public web site that it's a great
    idea and everyone should try. <u>CORGI did not say
    "DIY gas work is Illegal".</u>

    Here is the referring Statutory Instrument.

    http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1998/19982451.htm

    The HSE is fully aware that DIY gas work happens.
    They've just published a complete Fundamental Review
    w of Gas Safety

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/gas/index.htm

    in which there is a section discussing DIY

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/fundgas.htm

    People can read it for themselves, but:

    DIY installation and maintenance

    Question 30. Should DIY work be legally prohibited,
    eg by restricting the sale of gas equipment to
    registered gas installers? Should retailers be
    legally required to record sales of gas equipment and
    pass these to a central body, perhaps CORGI? Should
    any central body selected for this purpose be
    required to arrange the inspection of gas
    installation work in any case where the record of
    sale suggests work will be carried out by an
    unregistered installer? Should increased publicity on
    the dangers of DIY gas work be given by HSE
    campaigns, (ii) manufacturer's warnings, (iii) other
    means? (HSC Discussion Document 'Gas Safety Review:
    option for change', DDE14a, Page 50)

    Recommendation 26

    226. We understand concern about the possible risks
    posed by incompetent DIY gas work, but believe at
    present there is insufficient hard evidence of
    incidents to support the introduction of a legal ban.
    However, we recognise that current statistics might
    not tell the full story and recommend that further
    work be done more accurately to identify the scale of
    the problem, ie by refining arrangements for
    reporting incidents specifically to identify those
    related to DIY (see Recommendation 9), with a view to
    reviewing the legal position again (say in five years
    time).

    227. In the meantime, we recommend that increased
    publicity should be given to the dangers of DIY gas
    work (possibly funded through industry and the Gas
    Safety Levy - see Recommendations 7 and 11). This
    should focus more on legal requirements for
    competence if DIY is undertaken, and penalties if
    these are not met. More encouragement should also be
    given to retailers for providing 'point of sale'
    information, and equipment manufacturers to include
    warnings
    with products.

    Analysis of responses

    228. Of a total 109 responses to Q 30, 54 supported
    the principle of banning DIY with 35 specifically
    against; whereas 44 were in favour of a ban in
    practice with 47 against (NB some voted just for
    principle or practice, others for both). The similar
    question in the consumer document resulted in 29
    favouring a ban with 31 against and 1 unclear.
    Replies to the public questionnaire showed 285 in
    favour of a ban with 54 against. The issue was also
    posted on a DIY Internet web site which provoked a
    number of responses from those practising DIY gas
    work; these were against more legal controls but
    generally supported further publicity, stressing
    competence requirements for DIY rather than
    frightening people away from doing it.

    Argument

    232. Data currently available suggests that a number
    of gas incidents have occurred over recent years
    where DIY is directly or indirectly implicated, but,
    the link is not always entirely clear and in some
    cases it is possible for other factors to have
    contributed. At present we do not believe that this
    evidence is sufficiently strong to suggest that
    current legal controls (ie for competence under GSIUR
    regulation 3(1)) are inadequate, and an
    absolute ban needs to be placed on DIY.



    If you look at some of the rest of the report, and
    contributing consultants reports concerning dangers
    in the home in general, you will read that in the gas
    arena, CO poisoning is by far and away the biggest
    issue, and that all gas related accidents in the home
    are a tiny proportion of the total. Ergo, DIY gas
    work is not a major focus area for the HSE at
    present.

    That's pretty definitive. This statement from above
    says it all...if an "absolute ban needs to be
    placed on DIY"
    (as there is not one).
    <u>Then it is obviously legal.</u>

    Again.....
    "At present we do not believe that this evidence
    is sufficiently strong to suggest that current legal
    controls (ie for competence under GSIUR regulation
    3(1)) are inadequate, and an absolute ban needs to be
    placed on DIY."

    <u>DIY GAS WORK is LEGAL</u>
    ...... isn't WS
     

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