does a new hob fitting need a certificate

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by orbital, Dec 19, 2006.

  1. NikT

    NikT New Member

    Now I know where Tolkien got his ideas from for the
    triology from all these posts

    This ones the base for the Hob it and Lord of the
    Rings, now got to work out the how the Two Towers
    come into this

    The NZ reference again..:^O
     
  2. Ripped Off

    Ripped Off New Member

    Now I know where Tolkien got his ideas from for
    the
    triology from all these posts

    This ones the base for the Hob it and Lord of the
    Rings, now got to work out the how the Two Towers
    come into this

    The NZ reference again..:^O


    Ah ha The Two Towers Mr & Mrs N
     
  3. NikT

    NikT New Member

    :)...:^O
     
  4. Ripped Off

    Ripped Off New Member

    Yep starting to get into the xmas spirit, now wheres the Southern Comfort.
    Got to switch off from work somehow ~ got VAT to do B4 the 31st.
     
  5. NikT

    NikT New Member

    VAT man on holiday isn't he??
     
  6. Ripped Off

    Ripped Off New Member

    That Ba** is only one above the tax vulture. Not in on time bet on the 2nd Ive a penalty notice and please donate £100 to our next xmas bash on my door mat
     
  7. NikT

    NikT New Member

    One thing that has always bothered me.
    Why do you get a longer sentence for tax evasion than murder?
     
  8. Stoday

    Stoday New Member

    Part P document (have a copy)
    <u>Page 8 Section O</u>
    0.8 Notification of work
    Item b i,
    When the non notifiable work described in table 1 is
    to be undertaken professionally, a way of showing
    compliance would be to follow BS7671:2001 and to
    issue to the person a minor electrical installtion
    works certificate.
    Ant

    You are wrong Ant.

    Your copy of part P is out of date. It was revised in April 2006 and the revised edition excludes the paragraph you quote.

    That means that the arguments in half the following ten pages are invalid too.
     
  9. 2 wheeled ant

    2 wheeled ant New Member

    Stoday acording to some im wrong all the time anyway so just keeping to form
    At least i try to understand things instead of blindly following like sheep
    Ant
     
  10. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent New Member

    With so much documentation/regulations etc now applied to electrical installation, it's no wonder confusion happens..



    If you PAT test a electrical item, you issue a sticker and record the results.

    So whats the difference when interfacing to fixed wiring, you perform some tests, they should be documented..

    Not just for compliance to the Regs or whatever, but to confirm you have correctly connected and tested the fitting concerned and it functions.


    You wouldn't buy something from the shops without a reciept/guarentee would we?
     
  11. Real Spark

    Real Spark New Member

    This has turned into a HOB for NOBS

    No cert required

    Still no no no no

    RS
     
  12. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent New Member

    This has turned into a HOB for NOBS

    No cert required

    Still no no no no

    RS


    Whatever...............


    Merry Christmas all...:)
     
  13. 2 wheeled ant

    2 wheeled ant New Member

    I wonder if the ones who dont want to give a cert for changing a hob either,

    Cant fill in a form
    Changed so many items without giving a cert, so dont want any come backs on them
    Dont do any tests at all
    Check MCB/cable size

    Merry Xmas to ALL
    Ant
     
  14. NikT

    NikT New Member

    And a very merry xmas and happy new year to you all!

    Don't get too drunk. ;)
     
  15. sparky Si-Fi

    sparky Si-Fi Screwfix Select

    Talk about creating extra work for yourself.

    Cert for a hob

    For crist sake get a life !
     
  16. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent New Member

  17. NikT

    NikT New Member

    My answer is still no you don't need one.

    However, i can see the other lads point of view to cover their backs and have a paper trail.:_|

    In this day and age of litigation, it is very sad.
     
  18. Triplock

    Triplock New Member

    First post in about 6 months, but this thread warrants a response. When installing the hob,you will make an assessment of the existing sub-circuit, with complimentary testing as required. You clearly wouldn't install the accessory if you intuitively felt there was something amiss. Also, as the fixed wiring ends at the point of connection, strictly speaking there is no requirement to issue a MWC.

    A lot of electricians on here seem to be on some sort of stubborn electrical safety crusade, with an over-zealous interpretation of the regulations. At the end of the day lads and lasses, our trade isn't rocket science. There really isn't any need to over analyse every application.

    Therefore, why issue a MWC for installing a hob. It's a waste of time.

    Merry Xmas.

    Triplock
     
  19. sparky Si-Fi

    sparky Si-Fi Screwfix Select

    ..............that link was ace!!

    Merry Xmas everyone have a good one
     
  20. Real Spark

    Real Spark New Member

    <u>OK for the sake of peace I give in here is you MWC</u>

    MINOR ELECTRICAL INSTALLATION WORKS CERTIFICATE
    (REQUIREMENT FOR ELECTRICAL INSTALLATIONS &#150; BS 7671 [IEE WIRING REGULATIONS])
    To be used only for minor electrical work which does not include the provision of a new circuit
    PART 1 : Description of minor works

    1. Description of the minor works:
    Replace electric hob

    2. Location / address
    Mr Nob
    11 Hob Lane
    Hobleton
    3. Date minor works completed: 24 Dec 2006
    3. Details of departures, if any from BS 767:1 None

    PART 2 : Installation Details
    1. System earthing arrangement TN-C-S 1 TN-S 0 TT 0

    4. Method of protecting against indirect contact: EEBADS5.
    3. Protective device for the modified circuit Type&#133;B&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;.. Rating &#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;20&#133; A

    Comments on existing installation, including adequacy of earthing and bonding arrangements: (see Regulation 130-07)
    None






    PART 3 : Essential Tests
    Earth continuity satisfactory 1
    Insulation resistance
    Phase/neutral &#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;>200&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;M ?
    Phase/earth &#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;>200&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;M ?
    Neutral/earth &#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;>200&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;M ?
    Earth fault loop impedance &#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133;0:55&#133;&#133;&#133;&#133; ?
    Polarity satisfactory 1
    RCD operation (if applicable). Rated residual operating current I?n 30 MA and operating time of N/A Ms (at I?n)
    PART 4 : Declaration
    I/We CERTIFY that the said works do not impair the safety of the existing installation, that the said works have been designed, constructed, inspected and tested in accordance with BS7671 2001.(IEE Wiring Regulations), amended to 2004 and that the said works , to the best of my knowledge and belief, at the time of my / our inspection, complied with BS 7671 except as detailed in part 1.
    Name: Real Spark
    For and behalf of: Real Spark

    Address:





    Signature

    Position: Approved Electrician


    Date: 24 Dec 2006
     

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