Dominic Little Over Reacts!!!!

Discussion in 'Electricians' Talk' started by unphased, Apr 20, 2010.

  1. unphased

    unphased Screwfix Select

    Did anyone watch Cowboy Builders tonight.? Andrew Larkin was accused of fitting an outside light illegally. The Part P spark who they called in to inspect his work was useless. He misquoted a building reg requiremnt that an accessory should be 50 to 60cm away from a sink (should be 30cm). And he condemned a route he used for the wires down a pipe duct saying te wires could become live on the pipes. (You what?) And he said the wire going in to the light was bare and should be sheilded. It was T&E and it looked fine to me. Strangely he never once mentioned (or checked) whether the spur was RCD protected or whether main bonding was in place. What a moron.

    Dominic, stick to selling cars mate. You're just as easily hoodwinked as the rest of Joe Public.

  2. mr sillys

    mr sillys New Member

    they will catch you soon dear boy

  3. seneca2

    seneca2 New Member

    He misquoted a building reg requiremnt that an accessory should be 50 to 60cm away from a sink (should be 30cm).
    That's not even a reg UP, a recommendation yes but not a regulation!
  4. fooman

    fooman New Member

    i could not really see what was wrong with the installation apart from the small hole in the pattress box which you would have a job putting anything in the hole to get a shock.

    and that cheeky cow messenger asking for that £350 chair and asking for the matching stool for nowt.

    Would soon tell her to **** off !! she should stick to flashing her t$ts on page 3 of the sun ;)
  5. cliffy brown

    cliffy brown New Member

    blimey, standards certainly are low in the midlands
  6. fooman

    fooman New Member

    not saying it looked a good job but he never broke any regs or made a dangerous job of it :)
  7. No regs for min distance for the sink agreed, but the switch was almost on the work surface - water ingress could be a problem.

    As for the T&E cable outside - shoddy work - should have encased it in flexible conduit or something similar. (Or picked a security fitting that had a rear access for the cable and was water-tight.

    As regards Part P - Dominic and his spark were quite correct - it was a new circuit, outside, and therefore a "Special location"

    To add insult to injury, the cable was coming straight out of the hole drilled in the wall - no effort had been made to create a "drip loop" so to stop the water from running down the cable, through the wall and down into the switch.

    Call yourselves sparks?

    pffft ;)
  8. propper spark

    propper spark Member

    Call yourselves sparks. Just proves how many issue minor work cert as no ones mentioned that yet!
  9. Good point there propper!
  10. seneca2

    seneca2 New Member

    new circuit, outside, and therefore a "Special location"
    If the cable comes through the wall and straight into the lamp it's not part p/ notifiable etc!
  11. cliffy brown

    cliffy brown New Member

    worrabout a kitchen then?
  12. Not so Seneca:

    From the Part P documentation:

    "Notifiable jobs include new circuits back to the consumer unit, and extensions to circuits in kitchens and special locations (bathrooms etc)and associated with special installations (garden lighting and power installations, etc)"

    Under the general guidance notes: -
    (h) - The installation of fixed equipment is within the scope of Part P , even when the final connection is by a 13A plug and socket. However, work is notifiable only if it involves fixed wiring and the installation of a new circuit or the extension of a circuit in a kitchen or special location or associated with a special location.

    The installation of equipment attached to the outside wall of a house (foe example security lighting, air conditioning, and radon fans) is not notifiable provided that there are no exposed outdoor connections and the work does not involve the installation of a new circuit or the extension of a circuit in a kitchen or special location or associated with a special location"

    So reading that, the extension of the circuit (it was taken from an existing circuit in the kitchen i believe) is therefore notifiable.

    Just quoting regs mate ;)
  13. unphased

    unphased Screwfix Select

    Good stuff, Troy. :) Still don't think the work he did was worthy of such total ridicule. The Part P spark who they hired to comment on the job was a idiot. A short lenth of T&E poking through a brick wall is no big deal. It could have have been bent in to a drip loop but apart from that the install was satisfactory, even where the spur was located. The most important elements of the installation were not mentioned in the program at all, what type of fuseboard was installed, whether RCD protection was in place and whether main bonding was in place. instead the spark made his own rules up and Dominic fell for his every word.
  14. seneca2

    seneca2 New Member

    or the extension of a circuit in a kitchen or special location or associated with a special location
    That's interesting Dont touch, I recently added a socket in a bedroom for someone,this bedroom was on the kitchen ring circuit (recently re-wired council house!).
    I suppose this means that the work is notifiable, although on the notification page list it says 'in a special location' rather than 'the circuit of a special location'. I don't normally look for way's of getting around notifying jobs, if there's any doubt I notify anyway but just curious?
  15. Coloumb

    Coloumb Screwfix Select

    ^Sen that is correct. Wire an outside light from bedroom = non notifiable. Wire it from the kitchen/bathroom = notifiable.

    Shows how truley ***** part pants really is.
  16. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    You'd have the same thing in our house. We have a far ring, and a near ring.

    The far ring includes downstairs and upstairs sockets(far end of house obviously).

    The near ring includes the kitchen, utility, upstairs bedroom, and near end of landing.

    Mr. HandyAndy - Really
  17. Guest

    far ring ? near ring ?
    sounds a rght bodge , you should get a spark in.
  18. 999

    999 New Member

    sounds like we need sum regs like


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