Equality

Discussion in 'Just Talk' started by facilities, Feb 7, 2018.


  1. So somebody that takes a job rather than being unemployed, but doesnt have much flexibility to choose the job accepts they are ok to be walked all over?
     
  2. longboat

    longboat Screwfix Select

    'Walked all over', what are you on about?
    You're being all emotional again rather than looking at the facts.
    Can you provide any evidence that people are forced to work in-store rather than a distribution centre?
     
  3. fillyboy

    fillyboy Screwfix Select

    I agree with 75% of your post Jord, but the portion that bugs me is:


    I would favour and far rather pay more to an 18 year old green, inexperienced grafter who's reliable and gets up in the morning than a bone idle, "I've been doing this for 30years", sly, bad attitude 50 year old whining gimp who stops for a cigarette break every 45minutes and is limited on the physical scale due to "a bad back." Provided they do the same job, obviously.

    I'm 62 and every ceiling I plaster I promise mesen it will be me last, it never is. Idle teenagers? I've come across plenty of them, although tbf they are very adept at 'texting', as for pride in their workmanship? :rolleyes:
     
  4. chippie244

    chippie244 Super Member

    Ah, fillyboy is a 62 yo spread, probably with knackered joints and a life time of reading the daily nazi
     
  5. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    I have read post 44, but fail to see what you are getting at ? Are you telling me Tesco's don't have men working the tills and don't have female warehouse people? As , even you will admit, they are two completely different jobs, therefore no direct comparison can be made (not even in the name of equality)

    Nurses are paid differently on whatever grade they are on and honestly it makes no odds whether the nurse is male or female. In the NHS we also have secretaries. Some work at a corporate level, typing up notes , letters etc, some work within a medical directorate, typing up patient notes/ appointment letters etc. Some medical secretaries are actually paid on a band 5 pay scale (same scale a newly qualified nurse starts on) Some corporate secretaries are paid at band 2 level (same scale I'm on actually) Is there a difference in these secretaries jobs? After all they both type up notes/letters etc.
    Equality? I think not, You just can't simply compare two differing jobs and arbitrarily decide that they should both be paid the same amount. (where will it all end?) At the end of the day the people who are going to represent these Tesco workers are only doing it for far more money than their clients will actually win.
    Anyway, money isn't everything Jack. I'm doing a venepuncture course next week, which will allow me to take blood samples from patients. I won't be paid any more for this new skill (and believe me I'm on far less pay than a phlebotomist is on) Should I take my employer to court and claim equal pay with the phlebotomists because I can take blood samples? I think not.
     
  6. Jord86

    Jord86 Screwfix Select


    I'm not disputing you, it was a hypothetical scenario, I too have come across lots of spoilt, vacant eyed phone wielding hands in pockets youths that want money but not willing to get up and earn it, but I've also seen and worked alongside too many of the lazy 50year old, supposed knowledge over graft and sweat brigade that think once they've reached a certain age/done the job long enough that they should command pay for nothing.

    The workmanship is a bit hard to judge, being as the youth won't have had much time to hone his skills, whereas the veteran could probably do it with his eyes shut, but that wasn't my point, work ethic was my point, and pro rata production.

    I'd still take the spotty oik any day though, as you can mould and shape them into something resembling a decent human being due to their impressionable age, they haven't had time to learn too many bad habits but the older ones that have had bad habits for years and years aren't ever going to change, too set in their ways. And that brings me back to incentives, even a lazy t u r d will break a sweat at the promise of an early finish or extra twenty. Equality? Equal opportunities? Not sure, but money always talks doesn't it, hence all this current Tesco furore.
     
  7. fillyboy

    fillyboy Screwfix Select

    Not quite, I did a ceiling today, got one the week after next, I might not do another one for six months, if I could find a decent 'spread' I wouldn't do it at all, if I could find a decent chippy I wouldn't fit kitchens and so on.
    You're right about the joints though, definitely on the way out.;)
     
  8. longboat

    longboat Screwfix Select

    As you're a fully paid up 'militant' member who's leader is a well known terrorist sympathiser, and anti-semite, should we view your comment with a healthy smothering of irony?
     
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  9. fillyboy

    fillyboy Screwfix Select

    I see your point, I've been in the far south west for ten years now so am in a different market, but going back 8-10 years, if I were going to employ somebody (I prefer to work solo), I would probably lean toward Eastern Europeans in terms of work ethic.
    One thing about some 'older' people that annoys me is the ones who wont accept any new technology, (ditra mat, acrylic primer, synthetic paintbrushes, etc etc etc) and come up with the old chestnut "I've got 40 years experience".

    No you haven't mate, you've got 1 years experience, and it's 40 years old.
     
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  10. chippie244

    chippie244 Super Member

    I'm not a member of anything other than the human race.
     
  11. longboat

    longboat Screwfix Select

    I'm proud of ya, chip's. You've eventually recognised the error you once made. Hopefully a good proportion of the other brainwashed kids who signed up to the ideologically inspired doctrines of 'corbynism' have also realised that the cult they follow is rotten to the core. Full of manipulative, emotionally driven propagandists with power on their minds.
    Welcome back.
     
  12. chippie244

    chippie244 Super Member

    Are you talking about Mainly Fail readers?
     
  13. longboat

    longboat Screwfix Select

    No, not quite, but you can cling onto that feeling for the moment if it will help soften the landing.
    Ones past decisions are bound to result in a certain level of trepidation over where they went wrong, it's natural. The important thing is you made a decision, the right decision. Give it time to sink in.
    Don't be ashamed.
     
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  14. chippie244

    chippie244 Super Member

    The main reason I'm less supportive of Corbyn is his lack of support for remaining so you actually like him more than I do :)
     
  15. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    And there I thought he’d changed his allegiance in the run up to the referendum. ( and still managed to pick the losing side)
     
  16. chippie244

    chippie244 Super Member

    He's always been anti Europe, I just wanted a socialist in charge of the Labour party rather than a tory lite.
     
  17. fillyboy

    fillyboy Screwfix Select

    Chippie:

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    Rasputin:

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    Hmmmmm?
     
  18. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    Yep,, and yet he changed sides before the referendum.. Does he want to leave the EU or remain? Come on, he can't have it both ways
    Edited ,, I'll get it right one of these times :D :D
     
  19. I doubt that very much.
     
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  20. longboat

    longboat Screwfix Select

    "So, what you're saying is", you are a bit of a scatter brain who advocates any old nonsense just as long as you're still riding on the latest wave of righteous drivel? :)
     

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