FA Chairman resignation- Yet another strange case of alleged racism

Discussion in 'Just Talk' started by unphased, Nov 10, 2020.

  1. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    It was seen as an acceptable word in the UK until the 60's and 70's. Only because it was a more polite word than other words.
    It was a word used by white people, and imposed by white people.

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    Historically, the word is associated with segregation, especially in the US, where black people where kept separate from white people - on public transport, or at drinking fountains which were described as "coloured-only" for example.

    It is "much better" to use the word black, says Show Racism the Red Card.

    "There are lots of rumours that cause people to feel uncomfortable about saying black, but as a descriptive term it is absolutely fine, and is a term that has been chosen by and is used by black people."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/30999175/warning-why-using-the-term-coloured-is-offensive
     
  2. Muzungu

    Muzungu Screwfix Select

    You are not reading my posts, or at least you are misunderstanding them.

    I agree with you on the use of the word "coloured", as I have said in both my posts and in using the term "black" being acceptable.
     
  3. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    Greg Clarke: Why FA chairman's comments are so offensive
    The term is regarded as an offensive racial slur which recalls a time when casual racism was a part of everyday life.

    In the US, because of the country's history of racial segregation, it is among the most offensive words for describing a black person.

    "[It] was used to describe anybody who was not white, which may imply that to be white is 'normal' or default," says the charity Show Racism the Red Card.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-54888197
     
  4. FraserD

    FraserD Member

    Choose not to, no.

    The BBC news referred to the new vice president as a person of colour.

    Yet he was wrong to say coloured person, same thing in my book.

    Everyone I know, which covers a lot of races thinks it ridiculous.. Cause it is.
     
  5. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    I am reading your posts, and I am understanding them.
    You are claiming that 'coloured' was acceptable terminology. But you fail to recognise to whom it was acceptable.
    It was acceptable to white people in the UK up until the 60's and 70's, because it was a more polite word than other words in use, not because it was the preferred way that black people referred to themselves. As I said, it was a term used and imposed by white people.
    Black people preferred to be called black, and used that term to refer to themselves.
     
  6. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    So you have the ability to keep uptodate with acceptable terminology, but you refuse to do so?
    Do you still use imperial measurements, pounds, shillings & pence as well?
    Or do you pick and choose which terminology you keep pace with, and others you cling to outdated terms?
     
  7. Muzungu

    Muzungu Screwfix Select

    This has now become pointless as you don't seem to have the ability to understand what I am saying and are further accusing me of not understanding its origins.

    I am willing to bet that given my background, and my family's background, I have a little more experience, at first hand, than you in witnessing racism and its effects. I am out of here.
     
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  8. FraserD

    FraserD Member

    WTF are you on about I said I don't understand the difference between the two lines. I'm asking..
    Why is person of colour acceptable and coulored person not acceptable... I've asked my person of colour friends who have no clue.
     
  9. Arthur Dent

    Arthur Dent Member

    Be vary careful what you are saying to me. For your information (not that it is any of your business). I was working as a volunteer for, and a paid up member of Rock Against Racism until it was taken over by the Socialist Worker nutters.

    What I don't do is bang on about it and see everything that people say as racist. Bliar and his cronies from the late 90's and early 2000's have a lot to answer for, for using the R word as a routine form of smearing people.
     
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  10. I-Man

    I-Man Screwfix Select

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    As a "brown person", my 2 pence:

    Grammatically, I guess "Person of Colour" is just the same as "Coloured People"... But I think the term "coloured people/person" is not considered acceptable anymore because of the way it was used in the past and it's past connotations.

    Anyway, cant we just get back to talking about why 1 radiator is always cold, or how someone has cocked up their kitchen units or something??
     
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  11. FraserD

    FraserD Member

    Thank you
     
  12. unphased

    unphased Screwfix Select

    "Person of colour" is such a condescending term in itself. I am a person of colour ie white colour. These lame attempts to make politically correct terms to use to describe people is quite frankly getting irritating. The social discord caused by all this madness is feeding the hatred, now directed at whites. It seems that only white people can be racist.
     
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  13. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    I fully understand what you are saying. You contend that the term 'coloured people' was acceptable to everyone. It wasn't. It was a term imposed and used by white people to describe people of other ethnicities.
    If you refuse to accept that, there's little anyone can do about it. It may demonstrate that you do not understand the origin of the term, although it's simple enough.
     
  14. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    One is a description, the other is a racial slur. One is an acceptable term, the other has its origins in slavery.
    What is so hard to understand?
     
  15. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    You prefer to criticise anyone who dares to speak out against racism?
     
  16. FraserD

    FraserD Member

    No they're the same sentence just worded differently, I often get my words mixed up, one makes me pc if I get wrong way round I'm a racist. Problem is people like you looking for racism where it doesn't exist.. Just cause words which say the same are said in the wrong sequence, not by design.
     
  17. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    Precisely, and racial slurs do not depend upon grammatical accuracy. They do depend upon context.
     
  18. Muzungu

    Muzungu Screwfix Select

    I wasn't going to reply but really, you keep saying that I said things that I didn't, and that I disagree with something that I don't, it's quite bizarre and I am beginning to question your comprehension.

    Please go back and read my posts and tell me where I said that the term "coloured people" was acceptable to everyone, and where I disagree with you that it was a term used as you describe, and where I refuse to accept something I have known for decades, possibly before you were born.

    As I say, this is getting a bit odd to say the least, as you seem to have a preconceived idea as to what people believe, think and say without them believing, thinking or saying it. I am sure your heart is in the right place but your attitude is quite strange.
     
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  19. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    It seems that only some people fail to see slurs when they are obvious.
    Gregg Clarke has not only uttered racial slurs, he's demonstrated his lack of understanding of gay people, considered that systemic racism is just 'fluff', and assumed that ethnicity determines career choices.
    He has demonstrated on several levels how unfit he is to head any organisation, never mind one that is supposed to be tackling racism.
     
  20. Bobby Dazzler

    Bobby Dazzler Active Member

    You didn't, but it was definitely implied because you did not make it obvious who you were referring to when you stated that it was 'acceptable'.
    You stated that it was acceptable!
    Perhaps you should go back and re-read what you wrote.
    You implied that it was acceptable to everyone. It was a term imposed and used by white people.

    You can disagree if you want, but I have provided several references to support what I said. You have repeated your assertion without any references.

    Now if you can keep to the discussion without making derogatory comments about me, it will demonstrate that you don't need to resort to insults to make your point.
     

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