'Flog it' with 'lashings' of ginger beer.

Ryluer said:
His creation. The universe. Its all around you.
Tell me ....how do you create something from nothing? Scientists will never do it so how do you do it?
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So you believe in God then Ryluer? Which one? The one Christians are brainwashed into believing or the one ISIS believe in? Can't be the one same God setting man against man now can it? He's supposed to be an omnipotent , benevolent sort of chap (funny way of showing his benevolence) If there is a God, then all I can say is he's a very perverse , malevolent being. The sort of sadist who takes comfort from the suffering of others. Pah... I've not evcen been struck down by lightnlkhasd;lgjerignr;mgmfenglvkcmblkgfmn,.bv ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, AAAAARRRRRGH
 
If God actually existed/exists, it is not He that that has caused the suffering. It is the greed of Man(the human race). We have chosen the path, or allowed the path to be taken. We have created all the problems by mismanagement of all in our control. If He created Us, We have abused the responsibility to succeed in making all life/lives worthwhile.

Mr. HandyAndy - Really
 
Daily Mail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha.

Anyone who puts any credence in what that comic prints has no credibility at all.

They have Katie Hopkins as a columnist for crying out loud.

Bet you have a life size poster of her on your bedroom wall Ryluer.
 
God does not exist no more than Santa Claus does.

Fairytale nonsense.

I'm off to bed. I'm used to early nights again now. I don't know where you oldies get your energy from.
 
Mr. Handyandy said:
If God actually existed/exists, it is not He that that has caused the suffering. It is the greed of Man(the human race). We have chosen the path, or allowed the path to be taken. We have created all the problems by mismanagement of all in our control. If He created Us, We have abused the responsibility to succeed in making all life/lives worthwhile.

Mr. HandyAndy - Really
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I didn't choose anything! I didn't get a say, apart from a vote. Some use that did :rolleyes:
 
miss pickle said:
I didn't choose anything! I didn't get a say, apart from a vote. Some use that did :rolleyes:
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There are always two sides to an argument.

You had it in your power to convince say, ten other people to choose not to vote for Cameron. If everyone that had the same view convinced ten others to share the view, that would have been a lot of shared views against Cameron.
In this case, you along with thousands of others(including me) have failed in our responsibility to stop others going down the path that we believe was the wrong path.

We all allow things to happen without lifting a finger to prevent them.

We are all to blame. It is not Gods will. It is our will(or lack of it).

Mr. HandyAndy - Really
 
Mr. Handyandy said:
There are always two sides to an argument.

You had it in your power to convince say, ten other people to choose not to vote for Cameron. If everyone that had the same view convinced ten others to share the view, that would have been a lot of shared views against Cameron.
In this case, you along with thousands of others(including me) have failed in our responsibility to stop others going down the path that we believe was the wrong path.

We all allow things to happen without lifting a finger to prevent them.

We are all to blame. It is not Gods will. It is our will(or lack of it).

Mr. HandyAndy - Really
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Its not my job to go round trying to convince other people to choose this that or the other. They have their own minds and they are entitled to make their own decisions.
What right do I have to go around preaching to every tom dick and harry ?
I haven't failed at all! I'm not one of the loons out there trying to brainwash everyone into believing in something that there is absolutely no evidence of even existing :rolleyes:
 
And if some pushy nitwit tried convincing/brainwashing me about politics/religion I would tell them to jog on. Same as I'd expect them to tell me :)
 
miss pickle said:
Its not my job to go round trying to convince other people to choose this that or the other. They have their own minds and they are entitled to make their own decisions.
What right do I have to go around preaching to every tom dick and harry ?
I haven't failed at all! I'm not one of the loons out there trying to brainwash everyone into believing in something that there is absolutely no evidence of even existing :rolleyes:
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Problem here is that we all have a chance to make a difference, yet we don't even try. "It's not my job."

Status quo then.

Mr. HandyAndy - Really
 
No it's not. But to try to convince them of the right path to take?

Take the subject of this thread. Perhaps if someone spent time convincing the perpetrator of this local crime not to do it, he may not be in the situation he is in now. How many knew and did nothing to talk him out of it?
"It's not my job."

Status quo then.:(

Mr. HandyAndy - Really
 
Mr. Handyandy said:
No it's not. But to try to convince them of the right path to take?

Take the subject of this thread. Perhaps if someone spent time convincing the perpetrator of this local crime not to do it, he may not be in the situation he is in now. How many knew and did nothing to talk him out of it?
"It's not my job."

Status quo then.:(

Mr. HandyAndy - Really
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He knew darn well it was against the law. Wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference what ANYONE said to him. He took his chances, blooming fool.
 
A bit unfair, I think Mr ha, to criticise Miss P for not exercising her duty to try and convince 10 others to not vote for Cameron. Discussions on politics take place every day, but it's not really a topic where's there's a clear 'wrong' or 'right'. Certainly not in this country (yes, more so in dictatorships...)

So if peeps feel inclined to have a chat about politics, then fine. But an all-out attempt to persuade people to change their views? Nah - not a chance. It simply doesn't work.

I'd love to hear of any situation where, say, a UKIP supporter was persuaded to change their mind through reasoned argument. I bet it doesn't happen.

It's partly a case that they have totally convinced themselves they are right and are then emotionally (certainly not intellectually) tied up in their choice - it is 'part' of who they are. Also, if you were to change you mind on a matter like this, it would be an admission of having been wrong in the first place. And very very few people are willing to put themselves in that position.



But, yes, perhaps we all have a greater duty to try and help some misguided yoof back on the rails, tho' it's very hard to see what could have been done in practice with the misguided thug who committed that awful crime. However much of a yob he may have been, do you think anyone could have anticipated just what he was ultimately capable of? And I suspect that those who were immediately around that lad were not the brightest either, so hardly in a position to sit him down and talk some sense into him.
 
Religion, religion, religion...

Ok, I think we need to separate two quite different issues here - one is 'religion' itself (christianity, islam, mormonism, scientology, jehovas witnesses, etc etc) which is absolutely, totally, provably, man-made. No question.

And the separate issue is whether there exists a gawd, and - if so - what type she is.

2nd issue first - I really don't care. It doesn't actually matter. It makes no difference. Nothing in my life or yours would have turned out differently if there was actually a gawd in existence or if there wasn't. And I'm not at all concerned that she would burn me in hell afterwards either, 'cos it's soooo unlikely that it's actually funny.

There, I hope that is clear. It isn't, Ry? Oh dear. Ok, then - tell me one thing that, in your life personally, or that you have witnessed (but, hey - this has to be something genuine, you understand, not a fantasy of yours...) that has been affected or occurred directly by the action of 'gawd'.

Most of us can look back at powerfully-significant, highly emotional, stressful, life-changing incidents in our lives (from what she says, Miss P certainly can), and hopefully some equally life-enhancing and blissful occasions too.

Ok - two scenarios for you to consider; (1) replay these moments but consider that there is a gawd. And (2) repeat with the certainty that there isn't.

There. What difference did it make? Precisely - none.

So it doesn't matter if there is a gawd or not - if there is, he certainly doesn't give a t*** about us.
 
And then there's religions...

Man-made, no question. The bible, for example, was written at a time of belief in numerous gawds, in strongly pagan times. 'Prophets' walked the middle east in vast numbers. The Abrahamic religions gained some mettle over the others - I suspect historians have a pretty good account how it happened - and became enforced - suddenly being a pagan was risking persecution, prosecution and in many cases resulted in a capital punishment.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam all evolved from that one man-made religion, and it's no surprise whatsoever to the rational onlooker that these three (from the same original source, remember) hate each other more than other religions more deserving of loathsomeness (yeah Mssrs Cruise and Travolta :) . Only jesting... :rolleyes: )

And it's also no surprise that even these three religions have fragmented into factions with even more fundamentalist beliefs, from - oh gawd, what a selection we have to chose from... - Plymouth brethren, the Wee Frees of the church of Scotland, jehovas witnesses, isis, Ry's church of miracle cures, and any other nuttier version of an already nutty belief.

And they ALL claim to be the TRUTH. Oh gawd...

It's the sheer 'pick and mix' of it that amuses me - "Hmmm, I don't think I believe hard enough 'cos I feel too ordinary. Hey - you guys fancy a splinter group?!"


And, as the most wonderful example of the man-madedness of religions, we have the delightful mormom church. (I do mean delightful - these guys are awesome! You cannot rile or upset them! They will always be smiley and friendly! I think, if I had to spend time on a desert island with a religious person, I'd chose a mormon. Seriously, they are nice people. I really hope they don't form a nasty splinter group... )

A region formed in recent history - around 150 years ago - by Joseph Smith, an semi-literate convicted fraudster (I think he sold made-up deeds for gold mines and stuff?) You have got to read about how he devised this religion, 'cos it's both very funny and jaw-droppingly, numbingly obvious what he was doing. 150 years on, and a committed (he should be...) mormon is trying to run for presidency of the US of A. And Mormonism has earned the same rights as all other religions!

Yeah, but... Christianity is different bleats Ry (as will other believers of the other religions.)

There is a much evidence for the existence of the gawd in every single religion as there is of the existence of unicorns, fairies, leprechauns and flying teapots.

The exact same amount.

I could go on.

Ok, I will...
 
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A religion was accidentally formed back in the 1950's, I think it was, when an exploratory expedition made its way into central America or perhaps the Amazon (ok, it's a while since I read about this, so I'll have to make up names and places...)

They came across a small isolated tribe who'd had no previous contact with the outside world. A nice bunch - friendly and welcoming, and the explorers stayed a while. They needed supplies, so cleared a short runway in the trees, and set up a wood cabin to put their wireless set in, and Edwards - the wireless operator - would be found there most evenings making transmissions. A plane with supplies arrived shortly afterwards - which, of course, amazed the tribes people.

Anyways, the time came when the explorers left and the villagers were genuinely sad to see them go.

Around 15 to 20 years later, another group found their way to that tribe and were greeted by tribes-people falling prostrate before them, chanting 'Edwards!' 'Edwards'! The explorers found the tribe had built a small wooden shack and made a wireless-shaped wooden box inside and they'd go in there every night to try and summon Edwards back.

Bless.


So, a couple of Qs. Why did our gawd send his prophet to the Middle East a couple of thousand years ago? Possibly the most backward and illiterate part of the world? I mean, wouldn't China (already well versed in literacy) or Italy, or Greece (ditto) have been more sensible?

And why did gawd wait until only a couple of thousand years ago before intervening in the human race and sending her son to forgive us our sins? And what a way to do it - I'll have my son tortured and then sacrificed. There - that should clear some sins nicely...

I mean, modern humans have been on this planet for - oooh - around two hundred+ thousand years (give or take...). For almost all of that time we have fought hunger, disease, death in childbirth, life expectancy in the mid-20's (if you were lucky enough to survive childhood in the first place), fear of other warring tribes, extreme fear of thunder and lightning, etc etc etc. That's what I would call a pretty hellish life (count yourselves lucky folks).

And our omnipotent gawd waited around one hundred and ninety eight+ thousand years before deciding his 'experiment' wasn't actually working very well?

Why she hasn't been exposed on 'Cowboy Builders' I chust don't know.

Anyways, when she finally decided to intervene, she did so by sacrificing her only son.

And we all know that that worked really well, 'cos the whole world is now awesome.

Oh, wait, no it isn't - something called 'religion' is fluffing it up.
 
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Devil's Advocate said:
A bit unfair, I think Mr ha, to criticise Miss P for not exercising her duty to try and convince 10 others to not vote for Cameron. Discussions on politics take place every day, but it's not really a topic where's there's a clear 'wrong' or 'right'. Certainly not in this country (yes, more so in dictatorships...)

So if peeps feel inclined to have a chat about politics, then fine. But an all-out attempt to persuade people to change their views? Nah - not a chance. It simply doesn't work.

I'd love to hear of any situation where, say, a UKIP supporter was persuaded to change their mind through reasoned argument. I bet it doesn't happen.

It's partly a case that they have totally convinced themselves they are right and are then emotionally (certainly not intellectually) tied up in their choice - it is 'part' of who they are. Also, if you were to change you mind on a matter like this, it would be an admission of having been wrong in the first place.
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Ah, I'm that situation where ... :D
And would easily change my mind through reasoned argument.
Simply because I just don't know enough. Its very true that I have maybe based things more from an emotional view as opposed to an intellectual one, as I believe many others have. I have neither the knowledge or the intelligence to base it on anything else.
On a day to day basis I simply cannot stomach the news. I got to a stage where I thought ye gods I don't want all this rattling around in my head. Give me my little bubble and I'm a happy lass.
I did however watch the long drawn out hours and hours of TV politics before the election and thoroughly enjoyed it I might add :) I got quite into it! Maybe I got duped by farage but I liked the way he delivered :D I'm gonna get hung for that :p to me he made sense. I didn't agree with everything but I never do, I'm not sure whether I'm left, right, up, down, sitting in the middle or what half the time :confused:
 
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