Fukushima Update.

Discussion in 'Just Talk' started by Ryluer, Mar 5, 2015.

  1. SMH_all_day_long

    SMH_all_day_long New Member

    You are entirely correct that Chernobyl was perfectly harmless and didn't cause any problems or damage.

    Which is why Chernobyl is currently a thriving metropolitan city, filled with happy families going about their lives.

    OH. WAIT.

    It's a baron wasteland that has been unihabited since the the event. MY MISTAKE.
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  2. Droll... :rolleyes:

    Nice line in sarcasm, SMH, but your thoughtful contribution to this discussion is what?

    Either you have read my posts and ignored the balance in them (shame on you), or you haven't even read them - and that would be your biggest mistake :p.
  3. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    Has anyone ever likened you DA, to a suppository?

    Mr. HandyAndy - Really
  4. joinerjohn1

    joinerjohn1 Screwfix Select

    I would liken many on here to a catheter......... taking the p**s . :p:p:p:p:p
  5. Suppository ma botty.
  6. Harry Stottle

    Harry Stottle Screwfix Select

    It's important to put the matter into perspective; both disasters, Chernobyl and Fukushima were caused, not by failure of the plants but by human error (Chernobyl) and siting of the plant (Fukushima). Whilst it's very sad that people have died, many more people have died through coal mining and gas exploration and recovery. The fact remains that if the human race needs energy, the safest, most reliable and available when needed energy source is nuclear.
  7. Thank you Harry.

    Clear, rational common sense.

    No silliness. No scaremongering. No headless chicken runarounds...

    I'm not happy we need nuclear power, but need it we do. Until a properly clean alternative comes along.

    (Irony - you'll often find that those who condemn nuclear power as being super-deadly also condemn the development of renewables as being a waste of money. I wonder what other energy source they have in mind?)
  8. Welshdragon1

    Welshdragon1 Active Member

    Lets look at what has been tried & tested over the years & have also been dismissed or utilised

    Not in any particle order ;)

    Water generators
    Wind Farms

    & various others

    No doubt other will add them to the list
  9. And your point, Welsh?

    Obviously none of these is the solution as they currently stand.

    But how do you arrive at what a solution could be? By waiting for someone to design something on paper?


    PV panels, to take just one example, are roughly half the size, half the price and twice the power they were only 5 short years ago. What directly drove that improvement? Only one thing - competition between the various companies.

    Where did these companies get the money to innovate? From the demand for PV panels driven by the FIT and such grants.

    It ain't going to happen by itself - no-one is that charitable; it is only money that will drive this.

    Ditto with wind farms.

    Which will ultimately be used to produce hydrogen which will them become our new clean fuel.

  10. gpierce

    gpierce Active Member

    I buy chicken breast from the butchers in 5KG packs, and one pack lasts about 8 weeks. I guess I get 40 chicken breasts in a pack, which is 20 chickens every 2 months, or about 120 chickens a year. Go and take a look in my back yard, and find space for that many chickens, making sure you leave the dog somewhere to go.

    Then find a way of getting the chicken feed I will need to my house (and everybody else's individual houses) without using trucks, since you really want to get those off the road in your scenario.

    Then factor in that I tend to eat chicken breast, and not the rest of it, so now I will throw away 120 chicken carcasses a year that would otherwise be put to use. They can't feasibly be collected and used, yes I could eat chicken leg meat and wings, but what about the skin, bones, and other stuff often used for stock, animal food and other food? So now we need to provide more food to fill this gap.

    Then after you've worked all this out, let's talk about the muck, and what to do with that.

    That amount of electricity (assuming everything you've been told is accurate and not exaggerated, by either yourself or somebody at the farm) when divided by the number of chickens is about 40p per chicken. Less than what I probably spend in gas when cooking it.

    Also unless I start killing chickens on a continual basis, I'll need to freeze them in my house anyway. I'm pretty sure my ten year old, front opening freezer is less efficient than the top opening modern freezers at the supermarket.

    People aren't butchers. I have no proof, but I would hazard a guess that the potential for disease and illness from improperly reared and killed chickens and the increased waste would have an impact on health.

    But other than that, I think your argument is great....

    I think I'll stick to dead chickens in a shop.
  11. Harsh.

    But true... :)
  12. Welshdragon1

    Welshdragon1 Active Member

    My point is to look (aka) open your eyes & see what we/us humans have used, some are in use & some are not in use

    However I feel that a belt & braces approach by nuclear is not the answer in the long term as that is looking at a wider scope.

    We really need to look closer to home & be more localised where applicable, & implement / reimplemented some of the measures listed above, we could also learn a thing or two from our history, like self propelled motion, dynamo(s) & much much more.

    A lot of stuff that ends up in a landfill & taken from criminals could be incinerated & used for fuel, & create pot ash for self sufficient people to grow veg etc

    I'll bring you to a message I received from a friend of his friend

    "Anyone over the age of 32 should read this, as I copied this from a friend...

    Checking out at the supermarket recently, the young cashier suggested I should bring my own carrier bags because plastic bags weren't good for the environment.

    I apologised and explained, "We didn't have this green thing back in my earlier days."

    The cashier responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations."

    She was right about one thing -- our generation didn't have the green thing in “Our” day.

    So what did we have back then…?

    After some reflection and soul-searching on "Our" day here's what I remembered we did have....

    1, Back then, we returned milk bottles, fizzy pop bottles and beer bottles to the store.
    The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilised and refilled, so it could use the same bottles repeatedly. So they really were recycled.

    But we didn't have the green thing back in our day.

    2, We walked up stairs, because we didn't have an escalator or lift in every store and office building.
    3, We walked to the supermarket and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two minutes up the road.

    But she was right. We didn't have the green thing in our day.

    4, Back then, we washed the baby's nappies because we didn't have the throw-away kind.
    5, We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine burning up 220 volts -- wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days.
    6, Kids got hand-me -down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.

    But that young lady is right. We didn't have the green thing back in our day.

    7, Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of England.
    8, In the kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us.
    9, When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used screwed up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.

    10,Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn petrol just to cut the lawn.
    11, We used a push mower that ran on human power.
    12, We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.

    But she's right. We didn't have the green thing back then.

    13, We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water.
    14, We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and
    15, we replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.

    But we didn't have the green thing back then.

    16, Back then, people took the bus, and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their mums into a 24- hour taxi service.
    17, We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances.
    18, we didn't need a computerised gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000miles out in space in order to find the nearest pizza joint.

    19 We had Rag & bone men who recycled what we didn't need

    20, We had blade sharpeners and had no need to throw away blunt knives, shears etc

    This list is endless

    But we didn't have the green thing back then.

    But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the green thing back then? Please post this on your Facebook profile so another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smarty-pants young person can add this to their wall"
  13. plumber-boy

    plumber-boy Well-Known Member

    Too boring...:( sorry.

  14. Welsh, I'm more than old enough to remember these days.

    Do I want them back?

    Hmm, no, not really.
  15. Ryluer

    Ryluer Well-Known Member

    The majority of the worlds population live in those days today.
    Many of them want the advancement greedy westerners have achieved. The planet won't sustain such a situation.
    Thus those days WILL return to western society. Can't say I'm too bothered.

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