glazing a stable door - bevelled glass

Discussion in 'Carpenters' Talk' started by countdown, Sep 25, 2007.

  1. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    andy old son your theories are all well and good ,but
    we are talking about custom and practice, arn,t we?




    Well, I fitted windows on and off for 11 years. Always put the pattern outside.

    Always had the label(manufacturers desc.) on the outside.

    Ask a window cleaner how many obscured units have the pattern on inside.

    Ask a window fitter. Oh, you just have!

    It goes to the outside for the reasons I said before.

    Mr. HandyAndy - really
     
  2. sammy toaster

    sammy toaster New Member

    andy, my friend try asking the glass&glazing federation. when you were fitting windows for eleven years you must have heard of them.
     
  3. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    andy, my friend try asking the glass&glazing
    federation. when you were fitting windows for eleven
    years you must have heard of them.



    You try asking them. I don't need to.



    Mr. HandyAndy - really
     
  4. Biffo

    Biffo Member

    andy .
    you do come out with a load of ******

    its true what everyone says about you

    *****
     
  5. lamello

    lamello New Member

    the traditional reason why glaziers recommend that patterned obscure glass is installed pattern in is because it is far easier to obtain a waterproof seal against a flat sheet of glass as opposed to a textured patterned piece of glass.
     
  6. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    the traditional reason why glaziers recommend that
    patterned obscure glass is installed pattern in is
    s because it is far easier to obtain a waterproof
    seal against a flat sheet of glass as opposed to a
    textured patterned piece of glass.



    But in UPVC the frames are drilled and water is channelled away so the seal is not important.

    Actually, in exterior wooden doors with prefitted single-pane glass(obscured) you will nearly ALWAYS find the pattern on the outside.



    Ahem, pre-fitted by the manufacturers.


    Mr. HandyAndy - really



    Mr. HandyAndy - really
     
  7. lamello

    lamello New Member

    note the use of the word "traditional". all I am saying is that is the reason that glaziers give for reccomending installing glass that way round. That really doesnt have anything to do with upvc. Got to be honest with you if I wanted an answer about glass I would ask a glazier. Just because loads of people have glass obscure side out on their doors doesnt change the answer glaziers have given me in the past. Also surely the manufacturers just put the glass in and supply the door they dont decide which way round the door goes. Sure you get some prehung doors and frames and some doors are paired so the exterior side is predetrmined but the majority of doors are just supplied as is and the customer decides which way round they go or am I, ahem , missing something. I myself would prefer to trust the judgement of an expert glazier rather than the great british public who decide that their new front door from wickes looks much better with the obscure glass outside.
    You are basing your opinion on what a lot of people think and I am basing mine upon what a succesion of experts have told me. I once heard that 90% of thepublic thought that Sydney was the capital of Australia, you nust agree with that by your reckoning as that majority of people believe it to be correct, I however will consult my atlas and decide that in fact Canberra is the capital despite being in the minority
     
  8. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    note the use of the word "traditional". all I am
    saying is that is the reason that glaziers give for
    reccomending installing glass that way round. That
    really doesnt have anything to do with upvc. Got to
    be honest with you if I wanted an answer about glass
    I would ask a glazier. Just because loads of people
    have glass obscure side out on their doors doesnt
    change the answer glaziers have given me in the past.
    Also surely the manufacturers just put the glass in
    and supply the door they dont decide which way round
    the door goes. Sure you get some prehung doors and
    frames and some doors are paired so the exterior side
    is predetrmined but the majority of doors are just
    supplied as is and the customer decides which way
    round they go or am I, ahem , missing something. I
    myself would prefer to trust the judgement of an
    expert glazier rather than the great british public
    who decide that their new front door from wickes
    looks much better with the obscure glass outside.
    You are basing your opinion on what a lot of people
    think and I am basing mine upon what a succesion of
    experts have told me. I once heard that 90% of
    thepublic thought that Sydney was the capital of
    Australia, you nust agree with that by your reckoning
    as that majority of people believe it to be correct,
    I however will consult my atlas and decide that in
    fact Canberra is the capital despite being in the
    minority



    Very interesting lamello, but you are forgetting. I fitted windows for 11 years for at least 3 differnt companies and ALWAYS fitted obscure to outside. It was the way is was done.


    And on the 'pre-fabricated' doors, wooden/exterior, also pre-fitted will be the weatherboard along the bottom, along the outside bottom, on the ouside side where the obscure pattern is also(the outside).

    Don't believe me, go an' 'av a look.




    Mr. HandyAndy - really
     
  9. What on earth has a weather board gotto do with glazing.

    The weather board is there to deflect rain from the threshold and is only required on open in doors.

    I did a quick check with a few joiners this morning and they all say, bevel, texture inside.
     
  10. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    Joiners ?

    Well there you have it then.

    Glazing specialists, joiners are!!!



    Weatherboard on external(obviously)pre-fitted by manufacturers, same as glazing(obscure)prefitted by manufacturers also outside.(The point is that they fitted the weatherboard to the outside, same as the obscure).

    It's irrelevant if you think that weatherboards are only fitted to inward opening doors, as 99% of external doors open inwards.


    Mr. HandyAndy - really
     
  11. Wise up Mr H, the bulk of timber doors are fitted by joiners, as timber doors take a little more skill than banging in a piece of plastic carp.

    As to 99% of external doors being outward opening, try looking round quality new build with timber french doors, they will be mostly open out.

    Very few preglazed doors come prefitted with weather boards as the are predominately made in the far east and China and the board would take up container space, go take a look in Magnet/Howdens/John Carrs etc
     
  12. Biffo

    Biffo Member

    ok H if you say the pattern goes to outside /single glaze/double glaze
    WHY are all units made with the pattern/rough INSIDE ????

    try GOOGLING THAT ONE

    11 years in windows ?? who Rackams/Debenhams window dressing ??
    *****
     
  13. lamello

    lamello New Member

    Handy. I really think you should rethink what you are saying here. This is how it goes. On a double glazed unit the non obscured sheet is K'd that has to face the interior. This is a fact. The obscured sheet has the smooth side facing outwards and the obscured side facing inwards. This is another fact. So to conclude the sheet of glass that is on the exterior of you window has the textured side facing inwards and the smooth side facing outwards. If you spent 11 years putting the textured side of the obscured sheet facing outwards ie if you run your hand over the outside of your windows you can clearly feel the pattern then you must have broken open every sealed unit you have ever been supplied with and resealed them up (not possible) because every obscured unit i have ever had has the textured side facing in towards the unit.
     
  14. Guys, stop wasting your time, Mr H will never change his mind, time and again Mr H's opinion is proved wrong but he will never change his mind.

    Somewhere there is a post on expansion of timber floors which is a perfect example.
     
  15. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    ok H if you say the pattern goes to outside /single
    glaze/double glaze
    WHY are all units made with the pattern/rough INSIDE
    ????

    try GOOGLING THAT ONE

    11 years in windows ?? who Rackams/Debenhams window
    dressing ??
    *****



    What a load of codswallop.

    I am at this moment dismayed. In all my years of living I have not seen a double-glazed unit with the pattern on the inside of the unit.

    If this were true, where is the numpty who says(and there at least two of them) that their windows fitters always put the pattern indoors so as to get a better seal on the outside ?

    T***s

    And another numpty that says about the K film.

    That is on the inner pane on the inside(where you lot seem to think the pattern is.


    I'll tell you what. You can all P* off.

    Don't bother any more. Just give it up.

    Waste of space.


    Nice attempt at a windup by the way.

    Some of you are actually SERIOUS.


    Mr. HandyAndy - really

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  16. Biffo

    Biffo Member

    RIGHT LAST POST ON THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    obscured side to the outside of window frame

    AND the unit has been made with the rough side of the obscured glass to the spacerbar,so the smoother side is on the outside of the unit.

    AND these can be fitted either way in bogs bathrooms as they not habitual ? porches \and connies are non k /guardian YET

    END OF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  17. lamello

    lamello New Member

    Handyandy, do you actually believe the stuff you write. K glass has a coating that is on the outside of a sealed unit not on the inside. You can actually see it if you catch the glass at the right angle. And as for never having seen an obscure unit with a textured side inwards sorry boss but have a look about. If you havent seen a unit like that the you werent a window fitter you were a window blind fitter, sorry blind window fitter. Did your Blue Peter dog carry your toolbox around its neck.
     
  18. dirtydeeds

    dirtydeeds New Member

    wrong

    handy has changed his tune but it takes a LOT of good and accurate persuasion. i know.

    occaionsionally he has some good ideas

    although the one about nails though carpet had me smiling for days
     
  19. yorkshireboy

    yorkshireboy Member

    The coating on k glass is on the face inside the unit(in the air gap)
     
  20. Mr. Handyandy

    Mr. Handyandy Screwfix Select

    Thing is, you can't tell me different, because I was there and I fitted the blasterds.

    I have three windows within yards of me now that have the pattern on the outside, and the rough outwards(and I didn't fit them).

    I spent 11 years looking at them, fitting them, cleaning them, changing them, stacking them, carrying them etc etc etc

    It's all bullshite on your behalf(behalves).




    Mr. HandyAndy - really
     

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