Gloss for a downstairs loo with no daylight, so it won't go yellow?

Discussion in 'Painters' Talk' started by misstee, Oct 10, 2019 at 9:44 AM.

  1. misstee

    misstee Member

    Hi there,

    I painted all the gloss in my house a couple of years ago with Leyland Trade Satinwood in Brilliant White, it all still looks great apart from the downstairs loo that has gone yellow. I now realise this is because there is no window in there so it gets no natural light at all.

    Am I able to use a waterbased gloss over the top after a bit of a rub down or will I need to make extra preparations?

    Also any recommendations for a suitable gloss that won't go yellow would be appreciated. I prefer a Satin finish to a Matt or full Gloss.

    Thanks.
     
  2. DIYDave.

    DIYDave. Well-Known Member

    Ha ha yep, had that exact same problem happen to me with my downstairs loo

    You’re right, no natural light yellows the solvent paint even quicker - weird innit

    So yes, sand down gloss woodwork to dull the finish and provide a key for new paint

    Make any repairs to woodwork - filler, etc, prime any bare sections of timber

    Crown Fastflow is a great water based paint, been talked about on here many times

    People have their own personal preference when it comes to paint but for a water based paint, this stuff is very good and flows out nicely

    If you’ve never painted with water based before, well ...... it take some getting used to

    Will need to Undercoat next, again using Crown Fastflow Undercoat then the Satin in same range - 2 coats

    A light rub down inbetween coats - P180 then dust down / hoover

    Stick to same brand / paint range for best results

    Hope all goes well
     
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  3. Astramax

    Astramax Well-Known Member

    Crown Fast Flow would not be the best choice as it is a Hybred paint and will yellow although taking a little longer to do so but not so in your situation with no natural light. Your best choice will be Dulux Trade Diamond Satinwood and using Zinsser Bullseye 123 in this case as an adhesion primer to provide a suitable surface for the satinwood to stick to. No undercoat is required just two top coats for a superb finish.
     
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  4. DIYDave.

    DIYDave. Well-Known Member


    Well I never knew any of that so apologies to the OP if I’ve made a poor paint choice suggestion

    In other areas, I’m sure that the Crown Fastflow is a good contender amongst the current water based options

    Not saying it’s the ‘best’ but it is good paint

    I’m sure Astra will agree on this comment ?

    Used the Crown in my loo around 2 years ago, same set up, no natural light. So far it’s looking white

    The previous solvent based yellowed incredibly fast and strangely enough, was also Leyland
     
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  5. Wayners

    Wayners Well-Known Member

    Bedec Aqua Advanced High Gloss won't yellow and a top 5 paint that you can pick up easily
     
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  6. CGN

    CGN Well-Known Member

    Been using the bedec satin msp this week. Good stuff.
     
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  7. Astramax

    Astramax Well-Known Member

    Yes Dave Fast Flow is a really good paint the catch is in the hype 'stays white longer'. Bedec aqua or MSP would both have a non yellowing finish like the diamond satinwood.
     
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  8. CGN

    CGN Well-Known Member

    The msp is very good. Used it a few weeks back on some fascias and was impressed as it ‘grips’ really well and has excellent opacity...especially for a water based paint.
    Have a decorating job on at the mo which I try and avoid if possible, but filled a void. Victorian house, lots of shabby badly fitted and painted woodwork with all the knots bleeding through. Was going to use crown or Johnstone’s, then remembered the Bedec. Customer wanted satin, so bit of zinsser to block the knots, and 2 coats of msp and looking good. Goes on well and doesn’t sag. Dries in no time so perfect for getting the job done quickly. One of my go to paints now :)

    Bought some of these brushes too...on offer at TS. Highly recommended.

    https://www.toolstation.com/hamilton-performance-angled-cutting-in-paintbrush/p48119
     
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  9. misstee

    misstee Member

    Thanks very much everyone for your replys, I will have a look into the products you've kindly recommended.
     
  10. misstee

    misstee Member

    Thanks for the recommendation, would a rub down and paint over be enough? or would I need any kind of primer / undercoat before the new gloss? thanks
     
  11. misstee

    misstee Member

    Thanks for the recommendations. Would a rub down and paint over with the msp be ok or would I need to do primer / undercoat? thanks
     
  12. Wayners

    Wayners Well-Known Member

    If sound. 180g sand. Wash. Get clean. On with gloss. Unless you think it needs primer
     
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  13. misstee

    misstee Member

    Great, thank you.
     
  14. CGN

    CGN Well-Known Member

    yes, a rub down and clean and off you go. 2 coats should do it.
     
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  15. PaddyO

    PaddyO New Member

    I have any white mixed with 1ml blue per litre at my local trade place - makes it look a little whiter, stops the yellowing, and the blue is completely invisible to the naked eye!
     
  16. Astramax

    Astramax Well-Known Member

    What is the base paint as if it's an oil base yellowing will still occur?
    Brilliant White is White with blue added within the mix.
     
  17. PaddyO

    PaddyO New Member

    Any gloss/satin/matt I use, whether Zinsser Allcoat (solvent based is my choice), or whatever your choice of paint. Your Satinwood would be equally "brightened" by the blue.
     
  18. Astramax

    Astramax Well-Known Member

    To be totally honest this practice rates as the 'Best waste of time' I have ever heard of.
     
  19. PaddyO

    PaddyO New Member

    Well, nobody is forcing you to try it - so stick with your satinwood. The OP did want gloss...
     
  20. Astramax

    Astramax Well-Known Member

    No she didn't want gloss, she preferred a satin finish to gloss, read the post again.
     

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